# Another Swiftie lie gets shot down (this one's for you, Sam Stone) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273 "2004-10-03T02:16:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/141 "2004-10-04T07:30:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > **Liberal:** _If it is a doctor who sprays the Bactine, puts on the bandaid, and soaks your arm in epsom salts, you could call it medical treatment. So then, I’m sure you would say that when Bush sat still for five minutes at the elementary school, he was being presidential._ > > False analogy. To say that when a doctor treats an injury, it’s “medical treatment”, is not to say that **anything** a doctor does is therefore “medical treatment”. > > I’m a little surprised **Lib** , you are usually much sharper about logic than that. But according to the 9/11 Commission Report, the president was thinking about the situation and assessing options while attempting to maintain an appearance of calm — things a president does in the course of his duty. Therefore, the analogy is not false, and it is your own logic that is dull. ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/142 "2004-10-04T07:47:38Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > But according to the 9/11 Commission Report, the president was thinking about the situation and assessing options while attempting to maintain an appearance of calm — things a president does in the course of his duty. Therefore, the analogy is not false, and it is your own logic that is dull. Bazing! “It is your own logic that is dull”, brilliant. Been taking repartee lessons from Dr Spock again, have we? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/143 "2004-10-04T07:52:27Z")
> [@JohnFowles](#): > > …is that after lurking on these boards for as long as I have… Ya, sure. ---
**Author:** ![JohnFowles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@JohnFowles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnFowles)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/144 "2004-10-04T08:34:41Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Ya, sure. Hey I’ve had time to learn it is called “lurking” right 🙂 And I know ALL about you Brutus… ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/145 "2004-10-04T09:30:46Z")
> [@Atticus Finch](#): > > Bazing! “It is your own logic that is dull”, brilliant. Been taking repartee lessons from Dr Spock again, have we? Not really. My daughter wasn’t allowed to draw on the wall with crayons. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/146 "2004-10-04T11:43:13Z")
> [@JohnFowles](#): > > Hey I’ve had time to learn it is called “lurking” right 🙂 > And I know ALL about you Brutus… I have no doubt that you have been around this board for a while. ‘Lurking’, however? Like I said: Ya, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/147 "2004-10-04T11:56:28Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > I have no doubt that you have been around this board for a while. ‘Lurking’, however? Like I said: Ya, sure. If you have suspicions about a poster, cut out the vague insinuations and e-mail a Moderator or Administrator. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/148 "2004-10-04T14:15:21Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > But according to the 9/11 Commission Report, the president was thinking about the situation and assessing options while attempting to maintain an appearance of calm — things a president does in the course of his duty. Do his leadership methods normally involve reading children’s stories? ---
**Author:** ![JohnFowles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@JohnFowles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnFowles)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/149 "2004-10-04T14:26:23Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > I have no doubt that you have been around this board for a while. ‘Lurking’, however? Like I said: Ya, sure. Interesting theory… 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/150 "2004-10-04T16:19:50Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Do his leadership methods normally involve reading children’s stories? You’ve heard the one about the fire consuming GWB’s Presidential Library, yes? If so, you should be able to answer your own qestion:D ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/151 "2004-10-04T16:44:04Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Do his leadership methods normally involve reading children’s stories? I would think so, unless it’s the one written by James Carville. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/152 "2004-10-04T16:45:39Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > You’ve heard the one about the fire consuming GWB’s Presidential Library, yes? The same thing that happened to the library at Texas A&M? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/153 "2004-10-04T18:11:36Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The same thing that happened to the library at Texas A&M? 😃 Which one? The Evans Library\* or the Bush (the first) Presidential Library? \*Back in my days at the school, it was such a great library that the University scheduled regular bus trips to Austin so students could use the library at t.u. ---
**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/154 "2004-10-04T18:38:33Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > The first time I heard the Rasmussen story… Kerry rescued a pollster? No wonder they’re so confounding! > [@](#): > > …was when Kerry told it during the convention. He did? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/155 "2004-10-04T18:50:51Z")
Um, dude, that’s “Rassman”. Odd that someone who claims such devotion to the facts would get that wrong. Not odd that someone who was living in FreeRepublic would fail to come across anything positive about Kerry, though. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/156 "2004-10-04T19:21:01Z")
**BES:** _If you’re including my post (“why would even a bandage be called for”) as part of that carping, it wasn’t meant that way._ I know **Biff** , I should have made myself more clear. **Liberal:** _But according to the 9/11 Commission Report, the president was thinking about the situation and assessing options while attempting to maintain an appearance of calm — things a president does in the course of his duty. Therefore, the analogy is not false_ Ah, now I get it, thank you. I keep forgetting your tendency to explicitly post about half of the point you’re trying to make and leave the rest to be divined telepathically. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/157 "2004-10-04T21:06:20Z")
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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/158 "2004-10-04T21:12:43Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > **BES:** _If you’re including my post (“why would even a bandage be called for”) as part of that carping, it wasn’t meant that way._ > > I know **Biff** , I should have made myself more clear. > > **Liberal:** _But according to the 9/11 Commission Report, the president was thinking about the situation and assessing options while attempting to maintain an appearance of calm — things a president does in the course of his duty. Therefore, the analogy is not false_ > > Ah, now I get it, thank you. I keep forgetting your tendency to explicitly post about half of the point you’re trying to make and leave the rest to be divined telepathically. 😉 I’ve color-coded the irony for you. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/159 "2004-10-04T21:58:14Z")
**Lib** honey, at least when I’m accidentally too obscure for people to understand me, I **apologize** for it. You seem to take pride in it! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-swiftie-lie-gets-shot-down-this-ones-for-you-sam-stone/267273/160 "2004-10-04T22:20:27Z")
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