# Another thread about Cliven Bundy. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 24, 2014, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845 "2014-04-24T05:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/1 "2014-04-24T05:48:02Z")
[His father bought the Bunkerville ranch in 1948; they began renting BLM land in 1954.](http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/real-ranchers/Content?oid=3274067) This is the first I read about that. What a bullshitter, and his militia of weenies too. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/2 "2014-04-24T05:56:02Z")
[Apparently ol’ Cliven is a racist.](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/24/conservatives-begin-backing-away-after-cliven-bundys-remarks-disparaging-the-negro/) Who woulda thought it? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/3 "2014-04-24T06:13:50Z")
You can always count on cowpoke, Cliven Bundy. Regarding “Negroes” from your site, “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton,” Bundy was quoted as saying to a group of supporters last Saturday. “And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” Yeah, tomorrow should be an interesting day for good old boy Cliven and his flag waving, jack-ass friends. As my site mentions, “One wonders, however, how the armies of April will react to a Las Vegas TV station’s revelation that much of Bundy’s personal saga is make-believe. Grazing Golden Butte since 1877? Not quite. His father bought the Bunkerville ranch in 1948; they began renting BLM land in 1954.” Hee-Haw Cliven! Bend over boy! Lemme hear ya squeal like a pig. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/4 "2014-04-24T06:26:36Z")
Inspired by Cliven’s advocacy of taking federal land for your personal use, [a group of Burning Man people are planning on setting up a free-range nudity and music festival](http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/come-celebrate-bundy-fest-2014) after Burning Man is finished, across the street from Cliven’s front door. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/5 "2014-04-24T06:27:28Z")
I could have sworn that he claimed to the newspaper that his family had been the original settlers in the area, like 125-150 years back … :dubious: Still, I agree, he is doing the country’s largest cow dine and dash … What a freaking moron - he signed a lease with BLM for a specific range and number of cows - and hasn’t paid his lease fees for what, 20 years? And still somehow it is the fault of the feds and the BLM … ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/6 "2014-04-24T06:34:37Z")
Take a gander at the pictures of these [misguided souls.](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/us/politics/rancher-proudly-breaks-the-law-becoming-a-hero-in-the-west.html?hpw&rref=us) Fuck John Wayne and yeah, fuck John Ford too. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/7 "2014-04-24T13:47:14Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > You can always count on cowpoke, Cliven Bundy. Regarding “Negroes” from your site, “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton,” Bundy was quoted as saying to a group of supporters last Saturday. “And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” Would it be crass to point out that Bundy’s been living under government subsidy for 20 years? ---
**Author:** ![picunurse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@picunurse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picunurse)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/8 "2014-04-24T13:51:34Z")
I’m guessing with that many head of cattle, he owns at least one helicopter, probably a plane and a caddy. Yeah, the Feds are taking food right out of his children’s mouths. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/9 "2014-04-24T13:57:27Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > You can always count on cowpoke, Cliven Bundy. Regarding “Negroes” from your site, “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton,” Bundy was quoted as saying to a group of supporters last Saturday. “And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” > > Yeah, tomorrow should be an interesting day for good old boy Cliven and his flag waving, jack-ass friends. As my site mentions, “One wonders, however, how the armies of April will react to a Las Vegas TV station’s revelation that much of Bundy’s personal saga is make-believe. Grazing Golden Butte since 1877? Not quite. His father bought the Bunkerville ranch in 1948; they began renting BLM land in 1954.” > > Hee-Haw Cliven! Bend over boy! Lemme hear ya squeal like a pig. There’s a shocker. A right-winger who has issues with minorities,especially Blacks (we haven’t called ourselves Negroes in many years) Notice how he avoided making any comments about poor Whites, who outnumber Blacks in total in the US. He saved his vitriol for African Americans. I’m stunned. Looks like Fox News backed another lame horse. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/10 "2014-04-24T13:58:16Z")
He’s just another welfare queen. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/11 "2014-04-24T14:05:30Z")
> [@picunurse](#): > > … the Feds are taking food right out of his children’s mouths. Yeah, all 14 of his children’s mouthes! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/12 "2014-04-24T16:33:13Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > There’s a shocker. > A right-winger who has issues with minorities,especially Blacks (we haven’t called ourselves Negroes in many years)(snip) If you only knew how hard it was to get him to say Negroes you’d appreciate it more. Ingratitude is such an ugly thing. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/13 "2014-04-24T18:03:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Toby Purvis, 51, an electrician who came here from Farmington, N.M., called the bureau operation “a land grab.” um… They’ve already got the land, right? No grabbing going on here? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/14 "2014-04-24T18:04:28Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Apparently ol’ Cliven is a racist.](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/24/conservatives-begin-backing-away-after-cliven-bundys-remarks-disparaging-the-negro/) Who woulda thought it? “Who saw that coming,” he asked, stifling a laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/15 "2014-04-24T18:29:50Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > If you only knew how hard it was to get him to say Negroes you’d appreciate it more. Ingratitude is such an ugly thing. I watched the YouTube video of him saying that, and believe me, it did sound a tad strained coming out, like that wasn’t his intended word. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/16 "2014-04-24T19:25:42Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > If you only knew how hard it was to get him to say Negroes you’d appreciate it more. Ingratitude is such an ugly thing. I’m sure that he had some difficulty editing himself…. Anyway, knowing North Las Vegas like I do, I have to ask why he was in an area that has housing projects. It’s not as if they are near the casinos or right on the main drag; you actually have to go looking for them if you aren’t from the area. And if you have been there once, if you don’t know anyone in the area, why would you go back? Methinks Mr. Bundy is talking some measures of bullsh\*t on this one. This sounds like something that he heard (or made up) rather than saw. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/17 "2014-04-24T20:26:17Z")
He refuses to stop explaining! And by explaining, I mean repeating the same horrible bullshit in multiple interviews. This is awesome. Are we sure he doesn’t work for the Democratic Party or for some kind of prank show? Right wing pundits insisted this guy is a hero and now he’s going down in flames in the most spectacular way. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/18 "2014-04-24T22:33:21Z")
[Cliven doubles down on his racist comments.](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/cliven-bundy-press-conference-not-sorry) ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/19 "2014-04-24T22:50:23Z")
But he’s not content to just talk about “the Negro” - let’s hear what he has to say about “the Spanish people.” > [@Cliven Bundy](#): > > I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people. I worked side-by-side a lot of them. Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together. They picnic together. They’re spending their time together. I’ll tell you, in my way of thinking, they’re awful nice people. We need to have those people join us and be with us. (from [here](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clive-bundy-the-spanish-immigrants)) Now _that_ is going to cost him a lot more support than blatant racism does. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/20 "2014-04-24T22:57:10Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Cliven doubles down on his racist comments.](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/cliven-bundy-press-conference-not-sorry) Two quotes jump out at me from that article: > [@](#): > > Of seeing black people in their government-subsidized homes in Las Vegas, he said: “I thought, ‘Would they be happier if they was home, talking about the South, where they come from? Would they have been home with their gardens and their chickens and their children playing around them?’” Black people come from the South? I know some people think the Earth is 6,000 years old, but does Bundy realize there was a world before 1850? > [@](#): > > The press conference, originally expected to announce legal action against the Bureau of Land Management,… What sort of legal action could he take? Doesn’t he claim the courts have no legal jurisdiction over him; so where could he file this action with a jurisdiction he does recognize? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845.md?page=2)