# Another thread about Cliven Bundy. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 24, 2014, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845 "2014-04-24T05:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/21 "2014-04-24T23:12:29Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > What sort of legal action could he take? Doesn’t he claim the courts have no legal jurisdiction over him; so where could he file this action with a jurisdiction he does recognize? Probably in Clark County Court. He claims that he would pay his grazing fees to the county, but not to the federal government. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/22 "2014-04-24T23:32:34Z")
Flags and call outs to the Constitution of a federal government he doesn’t believe in. Belief in mutually, utterly contradictory things at the same time. If it weren’t that there were so many others who do the same thing, I’d think he were insane. Instead, I’m left to wonder if maybe I am. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/23 "2014-04-24T23:49:18Z")
If there’s any good to be found here it’s that the Republicans are condemning his comments. At least in public. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/24 "2014-04-25T01:54:58Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > Would it be crass to point out that Bundy’s been living under government subsidy for 20 years? No, it would not. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/25 "2014-04-25T01:57:17Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > If there’s any good to be found here it’s that the Republicans are condemning his comments. At least in public. They’re running for cover. Wonder what his militia is thinking … ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/26 "2014-04-25T05:51:17Z")
This buffoon is too easy a target. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/27 "2014-04-25T07:25:41Z")
Hey! I just read the OP’s link, and noticed it’s by Gene Lyons. He’s a great columnist. Lives on a dirt road in rural Arkansas, runs some livestock, knows how to handle guns and rednecks, etc. – and he’s a LIBERAL! With a sharp snarky wit too, often. I recommend him to Dopers. You’ll have to Google up places to find his columns for yourself – I just noticed that uExpress seems to have dropped him. Anyway, nobody in this thread is really addressing the point of the OP, being obsessed instead on Bundy’s racist implosion. The racist stuff is truly ugly, but it really has little to do with his “beef” with the BLM. OTOH, Lyons’s claim that he just bought that spread in Nevada and moved in relatively recently really DOES have to do with his claims of long-standing “rights” to use that land. As **Little\_Pig** points out in the OP, that fact, if true, really and truly totally trashes any semblance of a claim he could have to any legacy rights to that land. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/28 "2014-04-25T12:09:53Z")
Oh, I got that bit right away. We’d already known he’d paid for years but only in the last decade or so did he suddenly have an issue with paying the Feds. This new “newcomer” development and him getting chatty after becoming the neocon darling is just the cherry on the top, and the latter is a lot funnier. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/29 "2014-04-25T12:48:41Z")
I get that the Feds don’t want to have a Waco situation on their hands, but why not get a sniper, a chopper, and thin the herd when it crosses on to Federal land? The cows, I mean, not the rednecks. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/30 "2014-04-25T13:09:08Z")
I hate to admit it but I’ve been following the story and even arguing about it elsewhere but until yesterday I thought his name was Clive. I must have read it wrong dozens of times. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/31 "2014-04-25T13:15:49Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Yeah, tomorrow should be an interesting day for good old boy Cliven and his flag waving, jack-ass friends. As my site mentions, “One wonders, however, how the armies of April will react to a Las Vegas TV station’s revelation that much of Bundy’s personal saga is make-believe. Grazing Golden Butte since 1877? Not quite. His father bought the Bunkerville ranch in 1948; they began renting BLM land in 1954.” They won’t care, just like they don’t care that the Duck Dynasty guys are mostly suburban MBA types, just like they didn’t care that one of them admitted to beating a woman and her husband almost to death (and refused to apologize for it because “I’m a different person now that I found Jay-sus!”). This is the “get your government hands off my medicare” crowd, so what do facts matter to them? ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/32 "2014-04-25T13:24:40Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I hate to admit it but I’ve been following the story and even arguing about it elsewhere but until yesterday I thought his name was Clive. I must have read it wrong dozens of times. Same here – I just noticed it when Jon Stewart was showing the latest installment last night. I like him calling out Hannity but in the end it doesn’t make any difference. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/33 "2014-04-25T19:03:26Z")
Cliven: “[Martin Luther King would have approved of my right to make racist statements](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-mlk-rosa-parks-offended).” At least, that’s what I think he’s saying. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2014, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/34 "2014-04-30T23:15:12Z")
So the Congressman (Democrat) who represents Cliven Bundy’s district is saying that Bundy and his horseback riding vigilantes have set up roadblocks on the streets and highways around Bunkerville and won’t let people through unless they have IDs which show they live in the area. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/35 "2014-05-01T00:19:57Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > So the Congressman (Democrat) who represents Cliven Bundy’s district is saying that Bundy and his horseback riding vigilantes have set up roadblocks on the streets and highways around Bunkerville and won’t let people through unless they have IDs which show they live in the area. This sounds scary. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/36 "2014-05-01T01:56:16Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > So the Congressman (Democrat) who represents Cliven Bundy’s district is saying that Bundy and his horseback riding vigilantes have set up roadblocks on the streets and highways around Bunkerville and won’t let people through unless they have IDs which show they live in the area. [Cite.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/cliven-bundy-checkpoint_n_5239602.html) ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/37 "2014-05-01T13:10:36Z")
Okay, \*\*now \*\*its time to start thinning out the rednecks. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/38 "2014-05-01T15:40:24Z")
Are any of the people that are backing him people who live in the area and pay grazing fees? I’ve just looked through a few articles but I didn’t come across any. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/39 "2014-05-01T15:45:19Z")
I was just wondering about this yesterday. Now that everyone agrees he’s a loon, they stopped paying attention. I searched google news and there was nothing. You can’t just stop covering an armed militia because we’re done laughing! Now, today, there’s a couple of things. He’s still threatening lethal force, and there are still armed idiots with him who don’t recognize the feds’ legitimacy. [Here’s another article.](http://www.forbes.com/sites/jjmacnab/2014/04/30/context-matters-the-cliven-bundy-standoff-part-1/) ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/40 "2014-05-01T16:15:37Z")
Gawker just shared an article about the infighting amongst the militia groups, and how after one left (after first claiming they had intel that Obama was plotting to kill them all with a drone strike), Bundy called them traitors and deserters. So he’s still good for some fun quotes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845.md?page=3)