# Another thread about Cliven Bundy. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 24, 2014, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845 "2014-04-24T05:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2014, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/41 "2014-05-01T17:56:22Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Gawker just shared an article about the infighting amongst the militia groups, and how after one left (after first claiming they had intel that Obama was plotting to kill them all with a drone strike), Bundy called them traitors and deserters. So he’s still good for some fun quotes. Here you go: [http://gawker.com/nevada-ranch-militias-turn-against-each-other-over-dron-1570140614](http://gawker.com/nevada-ranch-militias-turn-against-each-other-over-dron-1570140614) ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/42 "2014-05-02T01:20:37Z")
Serious question here - If you view a continum tax evader \> criminal \> terrorist \> traitor Where would Cliven stand right now, and what (if any) “more serious” measures should the government be taking? Is there any point at which what he is doing and organising becomes a genuine “armed insurrection” deserving / requiring a military intervention? Or should it stay in the realms of civil remedies? ---
**Author:** ![Octarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/22d042/32.png) [@Octarine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octarine)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/43 "2014-05-02T01:47:14Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Where would Cliven stand right now, and what (if any) “more serious” measures should the government be taking? > > Is there any point at which what he is doing and organizing becomes a genuine “armed insurrection” deserving / requiring a military intervention? Or should it stay in the realms of civil remedies? An actual military intervention would validate them - it would be feeding their paranoia and would ultimately strengthen their cause. They _want_ to be fought, _want_ black limousines pulling up in front of their ranches and men in dark suits getting out, _want_ drone strikes. Unless they actually look like they might do some harm, non-violence is best. Although I agree - the line of “doing some harm” is very blurry, as many would say a bunch of wackos with guns threatening the federal government is crossing it . . . ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/44 "2014-05-02T01:50:11Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Serious question here - > > If you view a continum > > tax evader \> criminal \> terrorist \> traitor > > Where would Cliven stand right now, and what (if any) “more serious” measures should the government be taking? > > Is there any point at which what he is doing and organising becomes a genuine “armed insurrection” deserving / requiring a military intervention? Or should it stay in the realms of civil remedies? I would amend this with: tax evader = criminal ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/45 "2014-05-02T03:55:43Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > I would amend this with: > tax evader = criminal That’s what I was thinking when I wrote it - but I did want to draw the distinction between the idea of a white collar criminal offense and something like kidnapping / wrongful detainment / assault (in broadly layman terms) Naturally - at some point tax evasion requires arrests to be made with armed police - What I am kinda starting to wonder - so far “the authorities” have been using kid gloves with this guy in the interests of “avoiding bloodshed” with the idea that at its core the offense is “not that serious”. On the other hand - at some point doesn’t what he’s doing cross over into something very very serious, and action needs to be taken in the interests of “not setting a precedent”?..or whatever else you want to call it? Afterall, I’m pretty sure you can’t have armed people running around calling themselves independent from the US and harrassing other citizens right? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/46 "2014-05-02T04:42:42Z")
That was the whole point of the GD thread I started: [The federal government made a serious mistake by caving in to Cliven Bundy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=720786). It got derailed for a while there as the racism got talked about and out, but if this latest thing proves to be true, I’m hoping we can get the discussion back on track again. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/47 "2014-05-02T05:20:56Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Here you go: [http://gawker.com/nevada-ranch-militias-turn-against-each-other-over-dron-1570140614](http://gawker.com/nevada-ranch-militias-turn-against-each-other-over-dron-1570140614) Too funny! 😃 yet somehow, I pity them… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2014, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/48 "2014-05-02T05:44:51Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I was just wondering about this yesterday. Now that everyone agrees he’s a loon, they stopped paying attention. > > I searched google news and there was nothing. You can’t just stop covering an armed militia because we’re done laughing! > > Now, today, there’s a couple of things. He’s still threatening lethal force, and there are still armed idiots with him who don’t recognize the feds’ legitimacy. > [Here’s another article.](http://www.forbes.com/sites/jjmacnab/2014/04/30/context-matters-the-cliven-bundy-standoff-part-1/) How the fuck are they getting away with THAT? That’s pretty much armed insurrection right there, if they’re intimidating innocent people trying to travel that area. The mafia could take lessons from these people. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/49 "2014-05-04T05:07:03Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Here you go: [http://gawker.com/nevada-ranch-militias-turn-against-each-other-over-dron-1570140614](http://gawker.com/nevada-ranch-militias-turn-against-each-other-over-dron-1570140614) Dude thinks he’s Patton. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/50 "2014-05-14T15:04:12Z")
The Bundy Bunch have [a message](http://gawker.com/bundy-ranchs-armed-defenders-seek-welfare-to-sit-around-1574052982): Please send us money to support our fight against socialist freeloaders. I assume they want Monopoly money, since that represents capitalism and has nothing to do with the evil fedrul gummint. ---
**Author:** ![Grestarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grestarian/32/3227_2.png) [@Grestarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grestarian)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845/51 "2014-05-14T19:35:12Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > The Bundy Bunch have [a message](http://gawker.com/bundy-ranchs-armed-defenders-seek-welfare-to-sit-around-1574052982): Please send us money to support our fight against socialist freeloaders. > > I assume they want Monopoly money, since that represents capitalism and has nothing to do with the evil fedrul gummint. Seems to me they’d appreciate Bitcoin. Isn’t that stuff underwritten by the virtual/cloud market rather than any government? Then again, Bitcoin seemed to be fizzling about as fast as his media support… —G! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-thread-about-cliven-bundy/686845.md?page=2)