# Another White Male Perpetrates a Another Mass Shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463 "2021-03-22T22:39:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/161 "2021-03-24T23:07:38Z")
So the unwillingness to admit that bad info was used in the immediate wake of a breaking news story has come to outright asserting, with a straight face: - Arabs are considered white, period, to everyone, even to white supremacists, and to question this notion or analyze where the idea of being "considered “white” comes from is to be a racist. I await your excellent analysis of how the 9/11 hijackers were an example of white fragility run amok and the [American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee](https://www.adc.org/about-us/.) is a toxic organization promoting white supremacy. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/162 "2021-03-24T23:10:30Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > {…} Arabs are considered white, period, to everyone, even to white supremacists {…} “Arabs are considered white even to white supremacists” I’m sure you won’t have any trouble pointing to the post that provided the straw for this… thing you’ve created? ---
**Author:** ![ZosterSandstorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e0b2c6/32.png) [@ZosterSandstorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZosterSandstorm)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/163 "2021-03-24T23:16:21Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > But if someone is outright racist enough to just come out and say “Syrians aren’t White” And frankly, it’s past time we addressed the patriarchal implications of white person Muhammad’s propensity for conquest, not to mention noted toxic white malebro Saddam Hussein’s actions. On the other hand, perhaps white heroes such as Avicenna and Ahmed Zewail should be celebrated more. The role of other famous white people such as Yasser Arafat and Gamel Abdel-Nasser is much more controversial… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/164 "2021-03-24T23:36:59Z")
> [@ZosterSandstorm](#): > > has come to outright asserting, with a straight face: - Arabs are considered white, period, to everyone, It is hilarious that you’ve written this line into your fantasy story. I’ll buy elves, horizontal lightning bolts, worms the size of a freight train–but this? This is just implausible. Nobody talks like that. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/165 "2021-03-24T23:42:00Z")
> [@EastUmpqua](#): > > I have backyard BBQ’s with friends every summer. Yeah, I’ve got one of the invitations to one of your backyard BBQs right here: > [@](#): > > This backyard BBQ is for rants about the world or beefs with another party-goer. If that’s not what your invitation says, your backyard parties are not a good guideline for behavior here. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/166 "2021-03-24T23:46:11Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > If that’s not what your invitation says, your backyard parties are not a good guideline for behavior here. Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2021, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/167 "2021-03-25T04:39:52Z")
I realise the discussion has disappeared down some sort of train wreck/pile-on at this point but to come back to this point of yours, I have to say I disagree. From what I can tell, plenty of paranoid nutters randomly latch on to whatever issue happens to be in their environs at the time they wig out. Whether it be a family problem/ religion/ideology/conspiracy theory/overheated political debate/sexual inadequacy etc To put such people in the political/ideological basket doesn’t seem to me to be usefully descriptive if you consider (as I do) that they could probably just as easily have ended up in some other basket if they happened to latch onto some other nonsensical motivation. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2021, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/168 "2021-03-25T05:14:14Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > To put such people in the political/ideological basket doesn’t seem to me to be usefully descriptive if you consider (as I do) that they could probably just as easily have ended up in some other basket if they happened to latch onto some other nonsensical motivation. This approach absolves the very much not-insane people who push such ideologies onto the vulnerable from all blame. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2021, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/169 "2021-03-25T05:40:08Z")
If they are pushing their radicalism onto the vulnerable, yes. But I think much of the time that’s not what’s happening. If some insane massacre-ists are just hooking into whatever controversy is passing through, it doesn’t make any particular sense to blame the protagonists in the controversy. If a crazy paranoid guy hangs around a shelter for beaten wives and decides he’s going to go to a mall and shoot every man he can see wearing a wedding ring because he believes they are all wife beaters does that mean the massacre should be attributed to the campaigners against wife beating? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2021, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/170 "2021-03-25T06:03:47Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > If they are pushing their radicalism onto the vulnerable, yes. > > But I think much of the time that’s not what’s happening. I disagree. The particular kind of ideology I’m talking about _does_ particularly target itself at the emotionally and mentally vulnerable, IMO. Not _exclusively_, but not by pure chance, either. Or a better phrasing than “target” would be “render itself particularly attractive to”. > [@Princhester](#): > > If a crazy paranoid guy hangs around a shelter for beaten wives and decides he’s going to go to a mall and shoot every man he can see wearing a wedding ring because he believes they are all wife beaters does that mean the massacre should be attributed to the campaigners against wife beating? Only if the anti-wife-beating campaign was associated with an entire movement that glorified violence and gun-based solutions to ideological differences, the way anti-vax and anti-mask and racist ideologies are. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/171 "2021-03-25T14:40:02Z")
I know we’ve talked about family liability in the past, but the paper the other day said a family member described seeing the suspect, [paraphrase]playing around with what looked like a machine gun recently.[/paraphrase]. Then today they talk about his history of violent behavior, and family members are claiming some unspecified (untreated?) mental illness. Sure, there are limits regarding what a family member ought to be required to do, but it is so troublesome when a cohabiting family member thinks there is nothing needing to be done when a fucked up family member starts acquiring guns. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/172 "2021-03-25T15:11:58Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Sure, there are limits regarding what a family member ought to be required to do, but it is so troublesome when a cohabiting family member thinks there is nothing needing to be done when a fucked up family member starts acquiring guns. Ya, this has been a big question for me especially given that Colorado has a much publicized Red flag law that enables families to have guns removed from loved ones. Maybe it’s due to them being uncomfortable with law enforcement or because they didn’t want to live with the guy after having his guns taken away but figuring out why existing laws that should have stopped this didn’t will be a big thing in the coming months. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/173 "2021-03-26T22:58:36Z")
People like this are why we have gun laws, and 72-hour holds for that matter. This one’s a doozy. > **[Feds Arrest Armed Colorado Man in Iowa After Remark About Boulder](https://who13.com/news/feds-arrest-armed-colorado-man-in-iowa-after-remark-about-boulder/?fbclid=IwAR16L5rFJLSIxTIFExnNsBAv0hOPDz_UTgbGiPpoBHKAm0kcNdVKhNcgLag)** > > IOWA (AP) — An Iowa gun store refused to sell a semi-automatic rifle to a heavily armed and agitated Colorado man after he said he was surprised his friends didn’t suspect he was the Boulder … ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/174 "2021-03-26T23:16:58Z")
The Nebraska traffic stop, arrest and jail was in my county. Charming. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/175 "2021-03-26T23:32:35Z")
Or they CAN’T do anything about it - an abusive partner being the first thing that comes to mind. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2021, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/176 "2021-03-27T00:02:59Z")
Possible attack thwarted in Atlanta. Though, as of this post, the identity of the shooter (including race) doesn’t seem to be available. > **[An Instacart shopper believed he heard someone loading guns in a bathroom...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/us/atlanta-guns-supermarket-witness/index.html)** > > An Instacart shopper who entered an Atlanta supermarket bathroom this week told police he saw an AR-15 style rifle and heard what he believed was the sound of someone loading guns in a bathroom stall. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2021, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/177 "2021-03-27T08:47:44Z")
As someone who works in a glorified supermarket, neither the shooting in Boulder nor the attempted copycats are putting my mind at ease… ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/178 "2022-05-14T21:57:01Z")
I don’t know where this goes, but … here we go again: > **[10 dead in Buffalo supermarket attack police call hate crime](https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-442c6d97a073f39f99d006dbba40f64b)** > > BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — A white 18-year-old wearing military gear and livestreaming with a helmet camera opened fire with a rifle at a supermarket in Buffalo, killing 10 people and wounding three others Saturday in what authorities described as... ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/179 "2022-05-14T23:51:04Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > [10 dead in Buffalo supermarket attack police call hate crime | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-442c6d97a073f39f99d006dbba40f64b) Not just a “white man” in this case, but one who explicitly promoted Tucker Carlson’s favorite philosophy, “White Replacement Theory.” > **[Buffalo mass shooter cited racist 'Great Replacement' conspiracy theory in...](https://www.rawstory.com/mass-shooting-manifesto/)** > > The suspect in a Buffalo mass shooting reportedly live streamed the massacre on Twitch and posted a 106-page manifesto pushing a racist conspiracy theory prior to the attack."A man has opened fire at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York while... ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463/180 "2022-05-15T00:15:45Z")
Why dont cops shoot white guys who are actually known to be armed and have actually shot people?? Black guy, shoot first because we are in fear for our lives. White guys, lets try to talk him down because he must be troubled. > “At that point the suspect put the gun to his own neck. Buffalo police personnel – two patrol officers – talked the suspect into dropping the gun. He dropped the gun, took off some of his tactical gear, surrendered at that point. And he was led outside, put in a police car,” he said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-white-male-perpetrates-a-another-mass-shooting/938463.md?page=10)