# Another Worthless Celebrity Anti-Vaxer **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 14, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734 "2014-03-14T23:57:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/101 "2014-03-18T20:35:44Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > What about the presidents that use 3 names? Like would it be Barry Howard Taft, or just Barry Taft? Barry Hussein Taft. Of course. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/102 "2014-03-18T22:15:41Z")
Dr. Bob Sears, idiot, opens his mouth about this issue on Facebook: > [@](#): > > [Redirecting...](https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Bob-Sears/116317855073374) > > Measles Epidemic . . . NOT! > > Why is it that every time there are a few cases of measles, everyone panics? I just don’t get it. So, here’s the situation in the O.C., where I live and practice. Seven cases. Seven. That’s 7. Not 700, not a million. Seven. So, why do people panic? Here’s one reason: the ^#@\*&%&\*# media. News reports go out stating that there are outbreaks of measles, and everyone needs to be concerned. Everyone is quick to blame those who don’t vaccinate, AND those who don’t vaccinate start to panic. We’ve gotten dozens of calls to our office with people wanting to know if they should come in for the vaccine. > > Here’s my take on it: > > EVERY single year in the U.S. we have measles - between 50 and 150 cases. Last year there were two large outbreaks - 58 cases in New York and over 20 in Texas. Both those outbreaks died out. No one has died from measles in the U.S. in over 10 years. So, there is ALWAYS the potential for measles. ALWAYS. If you choose not to do the vaccine, then you just have to accept that fact, and not panic whenever you hear the “M” word. You’ve lived with this risk for years, so why panic just because there are 7 cases in the county you live in? This year there will be more than usual, the way it’s looking so far, but it’s not a reason to panic. Make your choice - do vaccine, or don’t do the vaccine. > > So, when SHOULD someone worry? If an actual direct exposure has occurred from a known case, then you might be at risk. This doesn’t mean a case in the county in which you live: it means that you’ve actually been in the same room with someone who has had measles. Or, at the most, maybe the same building. But transmission almost always requires close proximity (same room). There have been a handful of cases over the decades in which someone sitting across a stadium has caught it, but that is almost unheard of. You have to be in the same room, people. If THAT happens, call me. If not, then just relax and go about your life as usual. > > IF we see more cases, I’ll let you know. Actually, just to give you a heads up, we probably WILL see a few more cases. But virtually all measles outbreaks are limited to 10 to 20 cases in any given county. So, the chance that any one of your unvaccinated children is going to be a case is very very very very very small. I love you all, and love caring for you all. But just chill out. Measles will never go away - it’s always going to be a very small risk. If you aren’t comfortable with that, get the vaccine. If you don’t want the vaccine, accept the risk. FYI, the Shot@Life organization I work with – an organization dedicated to providing access to four vaccines for children in poor countries (rotavirus, polio, measles and pneumococcal) said that measles is actually on the verge of elimination. So fuck him. The only reason measles exists is because a) some people cannot afford access to the vaccine and b) jerks like him either refuse or pat people on the back for doing so. Measles cases have fallen drastically in India solely because of pro-vax measles vaccine efforts. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/103 "2014-03-18T22:32:44Z")
The moron is also talking about just death from measles - as if the complications might not be horrific as well. Among the possible complications are pneumonia, ear infections (which could potentially damage hearing), blindness, and what you might as well call “brain rot” - it’s a progressive and ultimately fatal degeneration of the brain and nervous system. The reason we don’t have epidemics is because 1) not everyone is an idiot and a lot of kids are still immunized and 2) we routinely quarantine the ill, minimizing transmission. We _could_ forever eliminate this disease, except for bozos who won’t get their kids vaccinated. It makes me very angry. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/104 "2014-03-18T22:58:12Z")
“Hardly anyone gets measles any more, so why bother getting vaccinated” is a moronic attitude, the more so when it comes from medical professionals who should make the connection that the happy circumstance of limited measles cases _is directly due_ to our vigilance in pursuing mass immunization. > [@Broomstick](#): > > The moron is also talking about just death from measles - as if the complications might not be horrific as well. That’s standard operating procedure for antivaxers - talk only about deaths (where if you’re heedless enough, you can downplay the numbers) but ignore the hospitalizations, suffering and permanent complications of vaccine-preventable diseases. _“…in the late 1950s, serious complications due to measles remained frequent and costly. As a result of measles virus infections, an average of 150,000 patients had respiratory complications and 4000 patients had encephalitis each year; the latter was associated with a high risk of neurological sequelae and death. These complications and others resulted in an estimated 48,000 persons with measles being hospitalized every year.”_ [http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement\_1/S1.long](http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.long) In other news - the Australian Vaccination Network (a particular repellent group of antivax crazies known for activities like harassing the parents of a child who died of whooping cough for daring to speak out in favor of immunization) has finally changed its name (under government order, to avoid misleading people as to its mission). The new name is the Australian Vaccination-Skeptics Network. This change [has not gotten the group off the hook](http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2014/03march.htm#15avn) for its various misdeeds. _“To add to the woes of the AVN and the joy of sane people, the NSW Health Care Complaints Commission has ordered the AVN to remove all erroneous misinformation from its web site. As this will leave nothing much except a single page with a logo on it, the order is being strongly resisted.”_ The group is also being investigated by regulators for alleged misuse of its charity designation (it’s reportedly raised $2 million in recent years for “charitable” functions, but people are having a tough time discovering what charitable activities that dough might have gone for). ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/105 "2014-03-19T02:33:55Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Then she would put up another post screeching about “pharmawhores,” … Pharmawhores? Gimme a break. How many of these freaks don’t use any medications at all? How many wouldn’t use medications to help their children get through a case of measles? Realistically, how much do pharmaceutical companies even make on vaccines? I don’t mean the fancy new ones like for HPV. I mean the standard round of MMR and polio and things like that? Regarding “Dr” Sears statements quoted above: > [@](#): > > If an actual direct exposure has occurred from a known case, then you might be at risk. This doesn’t mean a case in the county in which you live: it means that you’ve actually been in the same room with someone who has had measles. And my son was in the same room with someone with measles a couple of weeks ago, as I posted upthread. And, as I said, was his stepmother, who is a lactation consultant. I wonder if he would be so cavalier about a measles outbreak in the NICU. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/106 "2014-03-19T03:00:28Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Pharmawhores? Gimme a break. How many of these freaks don’t use any medications at all? How many wouldn’t use medications to help their children get through a case of measles? > > Realistically, how much do pharmaceutical companies even make on vaccines? I don’t mean the fancy new ones like for HPV. I mean the standard round of MMR and polio and things like that? > Regarding “Dr” Sears statements quoted above: > And my son was in the same room with someone with measles a couple of weeks ago, as I posted upthread. And, as I said, was his stepmother, who is a lactation consultant. I wonder if he would be so cavalier about a measles outbreak in the NICU. I attended a conference sponsored by Shot@Life last week. The organization is sponsored by the UN. They are devoted to providing four vaccines for poor children with the goal of expanding into more vaccines as well. We were told it was .23 cents for a measles vaccine and .13 cents for a polio vaccine. Those are the actual costs. You have to factor in other costs such as delivery. But you can get a child totally vaccinated for about twenty bucks. A damned fine investment if you ask me! We were also told that we recoup the costs of the smallpox vaccine about every twenty days because we don’t have to spend money to make it. Very much the same could be true of polio and measles if we could get rid of them. We are close to eradication thankfully. One of the great things about the vaccine for measles is that you won’t get a mild case of measles if you get the vax. In many instances, you may get still get the disease if you get the vaccine but in a milder form. This is true of the flu, for example. In the case of the measles vaccine, you just won’t get the illness at all. Sears can rot. He helped spark an epidemic of measles in San Diego in 2008 that cost over a 100k to contain. > [@](#): > > [http://blogs.plos.org/thepanicvirus/2012/03/26/bob-sears-bald-faced-liar-devious-dissembler-or-both/](http://blogs.plos.org/thepanicvirus/2012/03/26/bob-sears-bald-faced-liar-devious-dissembler-or-both/) > > I went on to write about how Sears’s downplaying of vaccine-preventable diseases was particularly ironic given what occurred in San Diego in 2008, when “a seven-year-old boy who was later revealed to be one of Sears’s patients returned from a family vacation in Switzerland with the measles.” Eventually, 11 other children were infected and dozens more were quarantined (some for up to three weeks); it ended up being the largest outbreak in California in almost two decades and cost well over $100,000 to contain. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/107 "2014-03-19T03:09:51Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Realistically, how much do pharmaceutical companies even make on vaccines? I don’t mean the fancy new ones like for HPV. I mean the standard round of MMR and polio and things like that? Realistically? Not a whole lot. They have to be made in bulk, have a lot of regulation and inspection, and are bought in high quantities at low cost. I recall reading that in the past there were a few dozen pharmaceutical companies making standard vaccines. Now there are maybe 1/2 dozen. Those have to have special legal protection (the so called 'Vaccine court) so they don’t drop it as not being worth the hassle. It is by no means the high profit area for pharm companies. They don’t lose money on them, but the margins are nothing compared to Viagra, Lipacore, and other drugs. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/108 "2014-03-19T03:18:01Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > The moron is also talking about just death from measles - as if the complications might not be horrific as well. Indeed. That is all the ‘stats’ the anti-vaxxers have to play with. Even if vaccines were never invented the deaths from various vaccine preventable diseases would have dropped dramatically over the years simply from improvements in modern medicine. Of course, by the time non-prevention treatment takes effect the damage could have been done. Even when they do try to use ‘incident’ graphs, they have to blatantly lie. Have a look at this [bit of cherry picking](http://www.software3d.com/Home/Vax/Graphs.php). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/109 "2014-03-19T04:55:47Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > We were told it was .23 cents for a measles vaccine and .13 cents for a polio vaccine. Do you mean $0.23 and $0.13 or do you mean 0.23 cents & 0.13 cents? In either case, it’s still dirt cheap and an incredible investment in the lives of every child on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/110 "2014-03-19T11:37:35Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Do you mean $0.23 and $0.13 or do you mean 0.23 cents & 0.13 cents?. Ah, the infamous Verizon misconception! ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/111 "2014-03-19T14:56:12Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > “Hardly anyone gets measles any more, so why bother getting vaccinated” Wow. Come to think of it, my smoke detectors have been a real waste of money to my family. They have never done anything but bother me when trying to cook. I think I’m going to through them out when I get home. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/112 "2014-03-19T15:04:16Z")
[Sobering news:](http://www.salon.com/2014/03/19/were_a_nation_of_medical_conspiracy_nuts/) > [@](#): > > The latest evidence – and by evidence I mean actual data culled by professionals and not “something somebody thought he heard in the backmasking on a Hendrix track” — of our collective mania is a new study from the University of Chicago that reveals that nearly half of all Americans believe medical conspiracy theories. Nearly half. The findings, published this week in JAMA Internal Medicine, are culled from a study of 1,351 adults who were polled about their beliefs on six popular theories: “The CIA deliberately infected large numbers of African Americans with HIV under the guise of a hepatitis inoculation program,” “Doctors and government still want to vaccinate children even though they know these vaccines cause autism and other psychological disorders,” “The FDA is deliberately preventing the public from getting natural cures for cancer and other disorders because of pressure from drug companies,” “Health officials know that cell phones cause cancer but are doing nothing to stop it because large corporations won’t let them,” “Public water fluoridation is really just a secret way for chemical companies to dump the dangerous byproducts of phosphate mines into the environment,” and “The global dissemination of genetically modified foods by Monsanto is part of a secret program launched by the Rockefeller and Ford foundation to shrink the world’s population.” As the study’s authors write, “49% of Americans agree with at least one medical conspiracy theory and 18% agree with three or more.” Or, in the words of “30 Rock’s” Tracy Jordan, “White dudes inject AIDS into our chicken nuggets.” And this, right here, is how a man like Kevin Trudeau, a man who is now serving a ten year jail sentence for lying about what the mythic “they” don’t want you to know, managed to spend months on the New York Times bestseller list and make himself an embarrassment of riches. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/113 "2014-03-19T15:21:59Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Do you mean $0.23 and $0.13 or do you mean 0.23 cents & 0.13 cents? In either case, it’s still dirt cheap and an incredible investment in the lives of every child on Earth. Makes mental note not to post much on too little sleep. :smack: Someone pointed out that it really would make sense for big pharm to be behind the anti-vax movement. They’d make a lot more money that way. It’s true. Treating measles and all other vaccine-preventable diseases is a lot more expensive than preventing it. So what if the anti-vax movement is actually funded by pharm companies? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/114 "2014-03-19T15:32:35Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Makes mental note not to post much on too little sleep. > > :smack: > > Someone pointed out that it really would make sense for big pharm to be behind the anti-vax movement. They’d make a lot more money that way. It’s true. Treating measles and all other vaccine-preventable diseases is a lot more expensive than preventing it. > > So what if the anti-vax movement is actually funded by pharm companies? :eek: That would be shocking if it were surprising. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/115 "2014-03-19T15:48:56Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Cool your jets. She said she doesn’t \*really \*wish that on the kid. Cool my jets? Unlikely. Whether she _really_ wishes it or not is immaterial. I will not cool my jets until we collectively stop imagining that having an autistic child is some sort of curse inflicted upon parents. People don’t _really_ mean it when they say they hope Jerry Sandusky gets raped in prison, but this statement is underwritten by a belief that it is would be _real_ and much deserved punishment. When you say you hope that parents end up with an autistic child but backpedal _because you really don’t wish it on the kid_, you’re showing that you think autism really is a sort of punishment visited on parents where the kid is just collateral damage. That belief yields parents who never see the inside of a jail for murdering their autistic children because actually caring for them is such a curse and who wouldn’t crack under the strain. If autism is a punishment, it’s for autistics who have to live in a society where, deep down, people don’t value them as human beings. Deep down, people just pity them, viewing them as albatrosses around their poor parents’ necks. When that stops, the jets cool. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/116 "2014-03-19T15:52:13Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Cool my jets? Unlikely. Whether she _really_ wishes it or not is immaterial. I will not cool my jets until we collectively stop imagining that having an autistic child is some sort of curse inflicted upon parents. People don’t _really_ mean it when they say they hope Jerry Sandusky gets raped in prison, but this statement is underwritten by a belief that it is would be _real_ and much deserved punishment. > > When you say you hope that parents end up with an autistic child but backpedal _because you really don’t wish it on the kid_, you’re showing that you think autism really is a sort of punishment visited on parents where the kid is just collateral damage. That belief yields parents who never see the inside of a jail for murdering their autistic children because actually caring for them is such a curse and who wouldn’t crack under the strain. > > If autism is a punishment, it’s for autistic people who have to live in a society where, deep down, people don’t value them as human beings. Deep down, people just pity them, viewing them as albatrosses around their poor parents’ necks. > > When that stops, the jets cool. It’s a sort of sick irony, when you really get down to it, that this is part of the problem with the antivaccine movement. The implication that autism is the most awful thing that can happen to a child, and of course that it’s worse than the chance of dying from infectious diseases. This utter devaluation of the life of autistic children which is so characteristic of those within the movement. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/117 "2014-03-19T15:56:12Z")
Preach, **Maegs**. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/118 "2014-03-19T15:58:30Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > It’s a sort of sick irony, when you really get down to it, that this is part of the problem with the antivaccine movement. The implication that autism is the most awful thing that can happen to a child, and of course that it’s worse than the chance of dying from infectious diseases. This utter devaluation of the life of autistic children which is so characteristic of those within the movement. That hits the nail on the head. This is why organizations like Autism Speaks, even though they have distanced themselves from their anti-vax roots, are so insidious and why autistic adults dislike them so much. They reinforce the belief that autism is something to be terrified of and they use language like “fight autism” or “combat autism.” It especially devalues the lives of autistic adults. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/119 "2014-03-19T15:58:30Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > It’s a sort of sick irony, when you really get down to it, that this is part of the problem with the antivaccine movement. The implication that autism is the most awful thing that can happen to a child, and of course that it’s worse than the chance of dying from infectious diseases. This utter devaluation of the life of autistic children which is so characteristic of those within the movement. Aside from everything else, the anti-vax movement often demeans autistic children and adults. I have a blogger friend who has an autistic child. She’s gotten the most disgusting comments from anti-vax loons who find her deeply moving love for her child somehow objectionable. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734/120 "2014-03-19T16:00:28Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Aside from everything else, the anti-vax movement often demeans autistic children and adults. I have a blogger friend who has an autistic child. She’s gotten the most disgusting comments from anti-vax loons who find her deeply moving love for her child somehow objectionable. > > Ugh. My wife and I got one of those _yesterday_. We were told that we would be better off if we had a neurotypical kid who had just gotten the measles. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-worthless-celebrity-anti-vaxer/683734.md?page=7)