# Ant-Man (Seen it Thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 17, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428 "2015-07-17T17:19:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/101 "2015-08-03T02:37:11Z")
Well, it passed budget this weekend - week three - and is solidly at twice budget when international is factored in. I know Ant-Man will be featured in Civil War but I’m hoping this is enough to get the sequel greenlighted for 2020 or so. I just don’t see a means to fit it in before that. Marvel has ten movies slated through 2019 already. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/102 "2015-08-03T02:45:20Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Well, it passed budget this weekend - week three - and is solidly at twice budget when international is factored in. And it doesn’t even hit theaters in China or Japan until next month! ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/103 "2015-08-03T02:46:15Z")
Yeah, for the weakest of the Marvel movies it’s really doing fine. God, this thing is a juggernaut. How will they react when they finally get a dud? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/104 "2015-08-03T03:14:48Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Yeah, for the weakest of the Marvel movies it’s really doing fine. > > God, this thing is a juggernaut. How will they react when they finally get a dud? What will be interesting is if the postive of all the MCU stuff will help the F4 movie this coming weekend - ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/105 "2015-08-03T15:01:15Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Yeah, for the weakest of the Marvel movies it’s really doing fine. Huh. According to BOX OFFICE MOJO, _Ant-Man_ has already earned more in the UK at this point than _Captain America: The First Avenger_ did during its entire run; and it’s already earned eight-million-and-change in Russia, just like _Cap_ eventually did; and so it’s now less than eighty million away from outperforming _Cap,_ and on a smaller budget. Which would be nuts, right? ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/106 "2015-08-03T15:22:38Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Huh. According to BOX OFFICE MOJO, _Ant-Man_ has already earned more in the UK at this point than _Captain America: The First Avenger_ did during its entire run; and it’s already earned eight-million-and-change in Russia, just like _Cap_ eventually did; and so it’s now less than eighty million away from outperforming _Cap,_ and on a smaller budget. > > Which would be nuts, right? Nah, I don’t think so. When the first Cap came out this superhero movie stuff was only in its infancy, people weren’t yet going “This movie looks kinda dumb…wait, it’s a Marvel movie? Oh, in that case I’ll see it” I think you need to place the starting point of these movies for an honest comparison at…oh…Thor? Iron Man 3? ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/107 "2015-08-03T17:00:26Z")
I’m thinking back to the murder Darren Cross commits with the shrink ray. I’d love to see Columbo investigate. My husband points out that the shrink ray is something Hydra might want just as a weapon. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/108 "2015-08-03T17:42:41Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > I’m thinking back to the murder Darren Cross commits with the shrink ray. I’d love to see Columbo investigate. > > My husband points out that the shrink ray is something Hydra might want just as a weapon. They could use it to steal the moon! ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/109 "2015-08-03T18:25:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > One thing I liked was that expands the history of the MCU. Up until now, superheroes have been a recent phenomena. As far as we had seen, the history of the MCU was that Captain America (whose powers weren’t that far beyond human) died in 1945 and there were no more super-powered beings until Iron Man and the Hulk appeared around 2009. Now we see that there were super-powered people back in the eighties. Well, Nick Fury tells Stark at the end of Iron Man that’s he’s not the only one with superpowers out there. And in Agents of SHIELD they showed they were investigate superpowers prior to Iron Man. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/110 "2015-08-03T22:36:07Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Nah, I don’t think so. > > When the first Cap came out this superhero movie stuff was only in its infancy, people weren’t yet going “This movie looks kinda dumb…wait, it’s a Marvel movie? Oh, in that case I’ll see it” > > I think you need to place the starting point of these movies for an honest comparison at…oh…Thor? Cap’s movie came out _after_ THOR, which came out after IRON MAN 2. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/111 "2015-08-03T22:37:36Z")
> [@simster](#): > > They could use it to steal the moon! But that’s where I keep all my stuff! -Uatu the Watcher ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/112 "2015-08-05T03:46:26Z")
Something I’m unclear on - if when he shrinks he still keeps all his mass (and can somehow punch out other still-full-sized men), then how does he use a flying ant as a steed? Regarding Janet, I was kind of hoping Pym would rescue her at the end, and she’d be played by Catherine Zeta-Jones, and that her character wouldn’t have aged during her time in quantum space or whatever: Pym: You haven’t aged at all, you look 25 years younger than me! Janet: I always did, dear. They did a pretty good job of rendering 1980s Michael Douglas, incidentally. ---
**Author:** ![OHS201](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6de8d8/32.png) [@OHS201](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OHS201)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/113 "2015-08-05T15:51:15Z")
I actually got my wife to go with me, on the basis of the TV-trailer that showed them fighting on railroad tracks of Thomas the Tank Engine. She hates superhero movies in general. She agreed to go grudgingly and she enjoyed it. It’s different from standard superhero. No way she’ll see Fantastic Four. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/114 "2015-08-05T16:00:56Z")
Regarding the toy train, they’re hurling these rail cars at each other, but since each man retains his full strength/mass, it’s not really any more impressive than if they were at full size, picking up toys and throwing them. Of course, when full size men do this sort of thing, it looks kind of, well, silly. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/115 "2015-08-05T20:20:43Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > They did a pretty good job of rendering 1980s Michael Douglas, incidentally. That was LOLA FX, the same tech used to de-age Patric Stewart and Ian McKellen in _X Men: The Last Stand_. It has improved quite a bit since that time. ---
**Author:** ![Unpronounceable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9de0a6/32.png) [@Unpronounceable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unpronounceable)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/116 "2015-08-06T03:36:46Z")
How good were the bad guy’s eyes, to spot Ant-Man riding a flying bug, in a swarm, from 50 feet away, at night, on a helicopter, AND manage to shoot that specific one? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/117 "2015-08-06T04:16:16Z")
> [@Unpronounceable](#): > > How good were the bad guy’s eyes, to spot Ant-Man riding a flying bug, in a swarm, from 50 feet away, at night, on a helicopter, AND manage to shoot that specific one? I can imagine him just firing (and incidentally causing permanent deafness to himself and everyone in the helicopter with him) and getting lucky, though it’s not clear how he managed to kill Antony and not Lang. The bullet should not have seemed like that precise an instrument, at that scale. It would be like performing surgery with a golf club. Incidentally, even the malfunctioning yellowjacket effect is pretty impressive and would be of interest to HYDRA or any other shadowy murderous-ish organization - zap a person and instantly reduce them to a few grams of pink slime? There are dictatorial regimes the world over who would _love_ something like that - no corpses to hide. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/118 "2015-08-06T04:25:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I just saw the movie. And I kept expecting a plot twist that never happened. > > Early in the movie, it was established that Hank and Hope had been estranged for years. And it’s established that Cross is close to developing the shrinking technology but can’t get it to work on living beings. Only Hank has that technology and Cross can’t get his hands on it. > > Then we see Hank recruit Scott and Hank tells Scott that Hope recently came to him and said that she was belatedly concerned about Cross and is now siding with her father. She keeps insisting that he should give her the suit. But when she finally realizes he won’t give her the suit, she helps him with his plans to have Scott break in to the lab. And she keeps reminding Hank and Scott about the deadline and how quickly they have to do the break in. > > Right before the break in, there’s a scene where Hank finally tells Hope how her mother died. Hope cries and says “Why couldn’t you have told me this earlier?” > > Do you see what I was seeing? I was certain that Hope was a double agent - she wasn’t working with her father to deceive Cross; she was working with Cross to deceive her father. Cross needed the technology that is in the suit. Cross and Hope’s initial plan was convincing Hank to give the suit to Hope. When that didn’t work they were helping Hank do the break in so they could trap Scott and take the suit. > > So when Scott broke in and got trapped, I kept expecting at any second Hope would reveal her true allegiance. And I was thinking I’d be congratulating myself because I saw it coming an hour ago. (I also figured that after Hope’s betrayal was revealed, she’d realize Cross really was crazy and would switch back to help Scott and Hank for the finale.) > > Now I’m annoyed because I think my idea would have worked better than the actual story. Great minds think alike. I also saw that “twist” coming. It was so obvious, that I wondered if that had filmed it and then decided not to use it. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/119 "2015-08-06T12:44:25Z")
> [@Unpronounceable](#): > > How good were the bad guy’s eyes, to spot Ant-Man riding a flying bug, in a swarm, from 50 feet away, at night, on a helicopter, AND manage to shoot that specific one? Maybe he (or she?) is one of the “gifted”–since they don’t say “mutants” in this version of the Marvel Universe. ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428/120 "2015-08-06T13:27:51Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I can imagine him just firing (and incidentally causing permanent deafness to himself and everyone in the helicopter with him) and getting lucky, though it’s not clear how he managed to kill Antony and not Lang. The bullet should not have seemed like that precise an instrument, at that scale. It would be like performing surgery with a golf club. > Incidentally, even the malfunctioning yellowjacket effect is pretty impressive and would be of interest to HYDRA or any other shadowy murderous-ish organization - zap a person and instantly reduce them to a few grams of pink slime? There are dictatorial regimes the world over who would _love_ something like that - no corpses to hide. That’s an issue with any film involving super-tech. Aww, poor guy can only shrink inorganic matter - so you make billions licencing that tech to freight companies across the world, doofus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ant-man-seen-it-thread/725428.md?page=7)