# Anti-abortion hackers attack Planned Parenthood, release databases, employee data **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334 "2015-07-27T17:59:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334/21 "2015-07-28T16:13:44Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > These assholes have now put employees in danger from violent extremists, which I have little doubt is their intent. If anyone is hurt because of this bullshit, these hacker assholes are at the very least morally responsible. I’m not sure about their criminal responsibility. I would hope that there is some (beyond the obvious hacking charges). This is, at least indirectly, encouraging terrorism. Nothing’s going to happen. Millions of federal employees, including many in highly sensitive positions, had their entire lives hacked open by a hostile power, and basically nobody cares. There’s been minimal outrage, minimal accountability, minimal disclosure of what happened, minimal disclosure as to who did it, and no attempt to discuss any possible response. It’s been years, and we still know nothing about the Sony hack. We don’t know who hacked Target, but that hasn’t stopped people from shopping there. No one really cares about hacking. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334/22 "2015-07-28T16:19:55Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Short answer - because a computer system that is completely secure is a computer system that is completely physically isolated from the internet, and even then you have to factor in human error. > > We had some security consultants in a month or so ago who did a presentation on hacking and the gist of it is that determined hackers **will** get in eventually unless you’ve got dedicated anti-hacker resources (and often even then). They had done a security test on our own system and had gotten into absolutely everything. Money as well. Some companies just don’t want to spend the money it would take to be as secure as possible while still being connected to the internet. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334/23 "2015-07-29T06:43:26Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > What? Why in the world not? > > Look, what these hackers did with the PP hack is wrong and you can have fun with your RO thread about it. But owning a gun is a constitutional right. People exercising that right should absolutely not be considered some kind of second class citizens that have no privacy. Why don’t you read one sentence prior to the one you quoted? > [@](#): > > I’m not entirely comfortable with The Journal News publishing that list, but **the gun permit info is publicly available information** so it’s not exactly the same thing. Obviously, if your gun permit status is publicly available information, then you have no expectation of privacy. Maybe you think that shouldn’t be publicly available, but it is currently. There is no comparison–a perfectly legal information request for public information versus a hacking of private information. It was stupid to bring it up. But thanks for your permission to have “fun” getting upset about this. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334/24 "2015-07-29T08:21:21Z")
Just to be clear. If the list had been obtained from a publicly accesible, yet onerous to do so, way, would it have been OK? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334/25 "2015-07-29T09:00:46Z")
[From the article posted:](http://www.dailydot.com/politics/planned-parenthood-hacked-anti-abortion-3301/) > [@](#): > > “We’ve noticed quite a lot of attention has been diverted to a supposedly malicious organization known as Planned Parenthood. The actions of this ‘federation’ are not seen as right in the eyes of the public. So here we are, the social justice warriors, seeking to reclaim some sort of lulz for the years and thousands of dollars that Planned Parenthood have wasted and made harvesting your babies.” “Warriors”,“‘federation’”, “seen right in the eyes of the public”, “social justice warriors”??? Hi, religion, and fuck off. BTW, you shit heads forgot to mention ‘family values’. Or was that too religious for you? And if they’re harvesting MY babies, I’ve been looking for that sock. Please return it without your harvests mixed with it. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334/26 "2015-07-29T15:23:37Z")
I thought the “social justice warriors” were the kids on Tumblr who get off on being offended by everything ever done and said by straight, white males and seriously say thing like, “I am being repressed by the cisheteropatriarchy! Check your privilege!” Pretty much the exact opposite of what the people in that article stand for. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334/27 "2015-07-29T15:50:56Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Nothing’s going to happen. Millions of federal employees, including many in highly sensitive positions, had their entire lives hacked open by a hostile power, and basically nobody cares. There’s been minimal outrage, minimal accountability, minimal disclosure of what happened, minimal disclosure as to who did it, and no attempt to discuss any possible response. > > It’s been years, and we still know nothing about the Sony hack. We don’t know who hacked Target, but that hasn’t stopped people from shopping there. No one really cares about hacking. Obviously I don’t know for certain that something will happen, and I certainly hope that you’re right, but your examples hardly prove that. There are some very scary people in the anti-choice movement. Ask Dr. Tiller’s family. Ask the people who’s clinics have been bombed. No one seriously expects China to bomb or use snipers against federal employees. That was a case of intelligence gathering. I’m not minimizing it, it was a serious breach, but the information hasn’t been released publicly for any random nut to access. I know of no radical violent movement targeted at Sony or Target customers, but identity theft or credit card abuse is certainly a possibility in those cases. Just because we haven’t heard of it yet doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. In any case, like the government hack, the information hasn’t been published publicly for any random nut to access. Your last statement, “No one really cares about hacking” is incorrect and irrelevant to this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334/28 "2015-07-29T16:28:47Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Obviously I don’t know for certain that something will happen, and I certainly hope that you’re right, but your examples hardly prove that. I meant that no one in authority will do anything about the hack, and that’s what my examples were meant to indicate. > [@davidm](#): > > No one seriously expects China to bomb or use snipers against federal employees. That was a case of intelligence gathering. I’m not minimizing it, it was a serious breach, but the information hasn’t been released publicly for any random nut to access. The lives of covert operatives are very much in jeopardy, and any number of federal employees are now subject not just to identity theft but to blackmail based on the contents of their security clearance files. And we have been told nothing about who took the data, let alone who they might have released it to. And yet this came and went in a news cycle, with essentially no outrage anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334/29 "2015-07-29T16:45:26Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > any number of federal employees are now subject not just to identity theft but to blackmail based on the contents of their security clearance files. OPM has set up their own identity protection service and blackmail attempts would be pointless. In order to obtain a security clearance, one has to specify anything that could potentially be used for blackmail. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortion-hackers-attack-planned-parenthood-release-databases-employee-data/726334.md?page=1)