# Anti-Abortioners
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [June 24, 2001, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001 "2001-06-24T20:58:00Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 1
### Author:  [@lenin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lenin)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/1 "2001-06-24T20:58:00Z")
Arr. I’d like to start off by saying that I have seen a few people giving anti-abortion arguments while demonstrating an I.Q. in the triple digits. However, what pisses me off is the number of people who say things like “Those who abort shall be strucken down by God” and such crap.
The thing that bothers me most about anti-abortion people is what they’re basically preaching is that women should not have a choice. Excuse me, but I was under the impression that we were trying to achieve something called “equal rights.”
Also, another thing- A lot of people who preach the evilness of abortion are those who say that capital punishment is the best thing since sliced bread. A pile of cells has more rights to live than a breathing human?
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/2 "2001-06-24T21:05:19Z")
ARe these the same as those “evil Catholics”?
:rolleyes:
I give it a .5
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### Author:  [@MysterEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysterEcks)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/3 "2001-06-24T21:20:14Z")
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> A pile of cells has more rights to live than a breathing human?
The point could be made that said pile of cells hasn’t been convicted of murdering a breathing human, and thus does indeed have more right to live.
However, I myself am perfectly consistent in my positions–I am in favor of both the right to abortions _and_capital punishment. (And, yes, capital punishment for murderers of abortion providers.)
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### Author:  [@TexasSpur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexasSpur)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/4 "2001-06-24T21:25:28Z")
Since this is the BBQ Pit.
You are honestly a dumb ass. First of all, there are two sides, the pro-choicers and the pro-lifers. The pro-choicers do not like to be called pro-abortion, and the pro-lifers do not like to called anti-abortioners. Second of all, they are not trying to infringe of women’s rights. They are standing up to the rights of the baby(or fetus).
There are obviously two credible sides to the argument. What should tip the scale for any rational person is whether they believe that the fetus is a human being. If they do, it only seems rational that they should try to protect it. If they do not, it seems rational that they should allow the women to decide what to do.
Both sides seem pretty logical to me. People that can not understand the argument of the other side are idiots. You fit into this category.
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/5 "2001-06-24T21:34:07Z")
As far as I know, people are still allowed to have their own opinions and beliefs. Some people believe abortion is wrong, other people don’t. You have your opinions; they are no more right or wrong than other peoples’ opinions, in spite of how obviously right they seem to you. What gets my dander in a knot is people on either side of an issue who cannot tolerate another point of view, and try to force their opinion on other people. Is that what you are intending with your OP, **lenin**? (BTW, this is a serious question, not a slam.)
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### Author:  [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/6 "2001-06-24T22:23:06Z")
What I like best is that you stayed away from generalizing!
oh wait.
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### Author:  [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/7 "2001-06-24T22:26:25Z")
I don’t feel the need to spout off about abortion. Simply because I don’t think I would ever have one, doesn’t mean that other people shouldn’t have the option.
And yeah, I’m an _evil Catholic_. But I am not a very good one. I’m barely evil at all.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/8 "2001-06-24T22:50:15Z")
Well, _that_ was pathetic. Come back when you have some material we haven’t heard a hundred times before.
“Strucken?”
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### Author:  [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/9 "2001-06-24T22:50:25Z")
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> \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \*
> \*\*What I like best is that you stayed away from generalizing!
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> oh wait. \*\*
Oh you witty big city chicks with the hip comments. You’re all the same. 😛
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### Author:  [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/10 "2001-06-24T22:52:02Z")
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> \*Originally posted by beagledave \*
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> > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \*
> > \*\*What I like best is that you stayed away from generalizing!
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> > oh wait. \*\*
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> Oh you witty big city chicks with the hip comments. You’re all the same. 😛 \*\*
Urrrp. Before jarbaby opens up a can of whoop ass on me…please be assured that the term “big” modifies city, not “chicks”. Thank You. Carry On.
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### Author:  [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)
#### Post date: [June 24, 2001, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/11 "2001-06-24T23:11:22Z")
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> \*Originally posted by beagledave \*
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> Urrrp. Before jarbaby opens up a can of whoop ass on me…please be assured that the term “big” modifies city, not “chicks”. Thank You. Carry On.
:: quietly putting blowdart away ::
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### Author:  [@Medea\_s\_Child](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Medea_s_Child)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2001, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/12 "2001-06-25T00:36:55Z")
Oh _there’s_ a threat. Jarbabyj with a _blow_dart.
I’m sure he’s running scared. Or not.
[sub]Hey! Ow! stop hitting me! I like oral sex! I really do! OW![/sub]
On the OP. Um. Get off my side of the debate. You make my position look stupid.
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### Author:  [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2001, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/13 "2001-06-25T00:53:43Z")
\lenin\ (now there’s a SN to choose select if you’re all about choice), you might want to so a search on some of the GDs which have taken place on the abortion issue.
Many of our pro-life posters are against making abortion illegal, because they don’t believe that doing so would dramatically decrease the number of abortions and they appreciate that a return to the days of “backyard abortions” would place women at risk without in any way enhancing what they believe to be the rights of the foetus. So whatever their personal feelings about abortion, they don’t see making it illegal as any kind of solution.
Those are the people with whom us pro-choicers can find common ground, and with whom we can work to find pragmatic ways to address the number of unwanted pregnancies.
You don’t have to agree with the pro-life viewpoint, but attacking their beliefs out of hand makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.
I think Medea’s Child said it best - get of our side of the debate, you aren’t helping our cause.
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### Author:  [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2001, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/14 "2001-06-25T00:54:44Z")
preview is my friend
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### Author:  [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2001, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/15 "2001-06-25T01:05:06Z")
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> \*Originally posted by lenin \*
> However, what pisses me off is the number of people who say things like “Those who abort shall be strucken down by God” and such crap.
This mostly does not work to sway anyone, and it is often worse than useless. I wouldn’t use this in an abortion debate at all. It’s worse than not saying anything.
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> The thing that bothers me most about anti-abortion people is what they’re basically preaching is that women should not have a choice.
That’s not what I’m preaching at all. I’m not preaching, in fact. There are various circumstances in which I fully support the right of a woman to end the life of the fetus living inside of her body. However, I do not support the right of, for example, a woman who is eight months pregnant and progressing normally to just say “Hey, I’m tired of being pregnant. I want to have an abortion”.
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> Excuse me, but I was under the impression that we were trying to achieve something called “equal rights.”
We are. For the mother and the child.
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> Also, another thing- A lot of people who preach the evilness of abortion are those who say that capital punishment is the best thing since sliced bread. A pile of cells has more rights to live than a breathing human?
I’ll echo the voices who say that the pile of cells hasn’t done anything wrong, and the person to be put to death by law has. However, as I’m almost always anti-CP . . .
“What should tip the scale for any rational person”
TexasSpur, the OP doesn’t help pro-choicers. This doesn’t help pro-lifers.
[sub]I swear, people shoule be required to pass a basic skills test to be able to register[/sub]
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### Author:  [@BarBQSauce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarBQSauce)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2001, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/16 "2001-06-25T05:34:34Z")
iampunha,
I think Texasspur’s point was that rational people should make their decision on whether or not they believe a fetus is a living person, not that the only rational decision is pro-life.
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### Author:  [@Cyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyn)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2001, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/17 "2001-06-25T05:47:37Z")
I used to be a good Catholic girl, but \*\* Drachillix \*\* says that is an oxymoron. Can I be an evil Catholic? A quasi-evil Catholic? The Diet Coke of evil Catholic?
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### Author:  [@TexasSpur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexasSpur)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2001, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/18 "2001-06-25T06:17:25Z")
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> \*Originally posted by BarBQSauce \*
> \*\*iampunha,
> I think Texasspur’s point was that rational people should make their decision on whether or not they believe a fetus is a living person, not that the only rational decision is pro-life. \*\*
Yes that’s it. I wasn’t really sure what iampunha was trying to say about me. I am pretty sure I could pass any basic skills tests.
I was trying to not really choose a side when I was writing, mainly because my mind is not really made up.
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### Author:  [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2001, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/19 "2001-06-25T08:20:10Z")
TexasSpur, it was not my intent to appear to insult you, or do such. My apologies if it seemed that way. My comment about basic skills was directed toward the OPer, who seems to have the collective intelligence of a decaying fruit fly.
Regarding the rationality of being pro-life because you believe something to be a human . . . I have friends on this board who are pro-choice and believe that a woman should have the choice to abort the life of a human being who has not yet been born. I cannot speak to the rationality of their opinion because I find it hard to understand the rationality of killing someone who has done nothing wrong. But the fact that I, someone who has been up for the past four hours writing essay after essay (wait for the pit thread), do not understand logic like that should not surprise ANYONE.
My brain hurts.
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### Author:  [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2001, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-abortioners/70001/20 "2001-06-25T17:35:24Z")
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> \*Originally posted by reprise \*
> **lenin (now there’s a SN to choose select if you’re all about choice)**
Not sure what you mean by that, as V.I. Lenin was militantly pro-choice. Abortion was legalized in Russia from 1917 until sometime in the 1930s once Stalin was solidly in power. Just to clear the matter up.
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> **Many of our pro-life posters are against making abortion illegal, because they don’t believe that doing so would dramatically decrease the number of abortions and they appreciate that a return to the days of “backyard abortions” would place women at risk without in any way enhancing what they believe to be the rights of the foetus. So whatever their personal feelings about abortion, they don’t see making it illegal as any kind of solution.**
This in itself is good, but unfortunately not everyone who is pro-life is so moderate. **Valkyrie** has stories every week of the religious idiots who hang over the fence separating their church’s playground from the parking lot of the clinic where she works. They’re vicious jerks bent on harassing anyone within earshot and they want abortion outlawed again. Much more annoying and potentially harmful in real life than on the boards.
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> **Those are the people with whom us pro-choicers can find common ground, and with whom we can work to find pragmatic ways to address the number of unwanted pregnancies.**
There are any number of ways these sort of things can be worked out, but at bottom it should not affect a woman’s right to an abortion on demand, and subsidized by the states or the federal government in case of financial need. Unfortunately many of the “common ground” approaches tend not to fight any such cutbacks when they come up.
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> **You don’t have to agree with the pro-life viewpoint, but attacking their beliefs out of hand makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.**
When the religious idiots stop harassing clinic patients and workers and stop standing on street corners with those horrendous pictures of “abortions”, I’ll stop attacking their beliefs out of hand.
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> _Originally posted by iampunha_
> **I cannot speak to the rationality of their opinion because I find it hard to understand the rationality of killing someone who has done nothing wrong.**
Abortion isn’t a “punishment”, nor is it “killing”. It is a medical procedure to which every woman should have a right.
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