# Anti Catholic opinion warrants official warning? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 9, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952 "2008-02-09T20:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/181 "2008-02-13T05:31:32Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] I’m pretty sure the bolded part was more like “then I know exactly what to do with you”, although I would interpret it as “Oh wait, that sounds a little too snarky; lemme go make that less foreboding” rather than “Ha! They’ll never catch me handing out threats now! I’m under their radar!” [/QUOTE] Wow. You have one of those decoder screens, too? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/182 "2008-02-13T05:39:34Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] I have to disagree with your statement, Czarcasm. His comment was quite accurate. Since when did accuracy become threadshitting? [/QUOTE] “There’s right, and there’s _nice_.” ``` --S. Skinner ``` ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/183 "2008-02-13T05:40:41Z")
> [@Biffy the Elephant Shrew](#): > > You schmucks are confusing two different Czarcasm posts. The one with the “threat” is #149 and is still there. The one you’re quoting as “softened” is #152. My bad, **Czarcasm**. > [@samclem](#): > > Wow. You have one of those decoder screens, too? Ziiiiiiiiing! I bet all the other mods are really impressed now. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/184 "2008-02-13T05:57:22Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] Ziiiiiiiiing! I bet all the other mods are really impressed now. [/QUOTE] You’re the one who surmised what his unedited post was, based on nothing. [sub]Notice how I spelled all the words in this post correctly? [/sub] At least, I hope I did. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/185 "2008-02-13T16:15:47Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Here is the original post:Note that this is a thread requesting information about the customs of non-Catholic Christians regarding Ash Wednesday. Here is **Dinsdale’s** reply, after other posters have described their customs regarding Ash Wednesday: Now if this is indeed one of the customs of the non-Catholic Christian church he belongs to, I’d be _very_ interested in hearing more. Well, **Dinsdale**? [/QUOTE] The title of the thread was **Non-Catholics: How important is Ash Wednesday?**. If the title has specified that it was only requesting opinions from christians, it is unlikely I would have opened it. Yes, the specific questions in the initial post did specify “non-Catholic Christians” and referred to “services” and such. But the responses to the initial post did not lead me to suggest that only opinions from currently practicing christians were welcome and/or appropriate. Also, having been raised Catholic, living and working most of my life in a very Catholic city, I do have considerable information, experience, and strong opinions on the subject. In short, believe me or not, I was not simply posting something antagonistic on a topic that I was ignorant of and had no strong opinion on. By my rough count, of the folks who posted before me (#23) at least 4 clearly described themselves as non-religious, non-christian, or atheist. No objection had been made to their participation. Add to that several more who spoke of their religious practice in past tense or referring to their extended families’ practices, which suggested to me at least the possibility that they were not currently practicing christians. I also believe at least one poster ahead of me was at one time LDS, which many traditional christians would contend isn’t. So, based on the plain wording of the title, and the number of non-christians posting ahead of me, I thought my post was within the acceptable boundaries. I now know it wasn’t. I disagree with that decision, but am willing to abide by it. And I don’t really have anything more to say about it. I hope I am not characterized as “making a big deal out of this,” by responding to a direct question. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/186 "2008-02-13T16:38:25Z")
[QUOTE=Dinsdale] I now know it wasn’t. I disagree with that decision, but am willing to abide by it. And I don’t really have anything more to say about it. I hope I am not characterized as “making a big deal out of this,” by responding to a direct question. [/QUOTE] Thank you. Sometimes in life you just have to agree to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/187 "2008-02-13T17:03:25Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] I’m pretty sure the bolded part was more like “then I know exactly what to do with you”, although I would interpret it as “Oh wait, that sounds a little too snarky; lemme go make that less foreboding” rather than “Ha! They’ll never catch me handing out threats now! I’m under their radar!” [/QUOTE] It was more like ‘then I know exactly what to do with you.’ But thinly veiled threatening remarks have never been against the rules for moderators here - or **Tubadiva** would not have gotten away with telling me that there are many things she would like to promise me. So, you can’t say that ashes on foreheads are a way to identify idiots as a regular poster, but if you are a mod you can be as big a douchebag as you want if you’re a mod, even implying threats. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/188 "2008-02-13T17:22:15Z")
[QUOTE=catsix] It was more like ‘then I know exactly what to do with you.’ But thinly veiled threatening remarks have never been against the rules for moderators here - or **Tubadiva** would not have gotten away with telling me that there are many things she would like to promise me. So, you can’t say that ashes on foreheads are a way to identify idiots as a regular poster, but if you are a mod you can be as big a douchebag as you want if you’re a mod, even implying threats. [/QUOTE] I believe this has been covered in post #169. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/189 "2008-02-13T19:01:21Z")
> [@](#): > > **Czarcasm** said: > I believe this has been covered in post #169. Then I stand by my assessment that moderator is SDMB term for ‘one who acts like a douchebag’. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/190 "2008-02-13T19:23:44Z")
Post #188. Rinse. Repeat as necessary. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/191 "2008-02-13T19:29:50Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Eric Burdon and the Animals. And you’re _soooo_ old! [/QUOTE] But not old enough, says Nina Simone. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/192 "2008-02-14T02:15:59Z")
[QUOTE=brownie55] Ah, my little bird brained friend. Welcome back, glad to see you have joined the borganism. Czarcasm pretented that the original warning was about threadshiting while his warning was about calling the religious idiots. I said as much and you call me a liar. Do you wish to try again to change the topic? [/QUOTE] No, as I already pointed out, his warning was for making an inappropriate comment in IMHO, not for “calling the religious idiots.” You lied about that previously in this thread, and now you’ve just lied about it again. This is particularly stupid, since anyone who cares to check the original can see that you are lying. Since you are lying repeatedly about an action that is the very basis of your complaint, of course it is not changing the topic to call you on it. Liar. ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/193 "2008-02-14T04:18:19Z")
[QUOTE=Colibri] No, as I already pointed out, his warning was for making an inappropriate comment in IMHO, not for “calling the religious idiots.” You lied about that previously in this thread, and now you’ve just lied about it again. This is particularly stupid, since anyone who cares to check the original can see that you are lying. Since you are lying repeatedly about an action that is the very basis of your complaint, of course it is not changing the topic to call you on it. Liar. [/QUOTE] You say his warning was about threadshitting, and I suppose you have talked to Czarcasm and confirmed it. I read it differently, I saw it as a warning for attacking the religious. He really did not say what was inappropriate, only that the response was. But, you are the mod, so I’ll defer to you. His correction of the capitalization of Catholic made it look like it was about religion, not threadshitting. I never felt I was lying, only interpreting differently. If you feel better calling me a liar, OK, I can live with that. ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/194 "2008-02-14T04:32:14Z")
[QUOTE=Colibri] No, as I already pointed out, his warning was for making an inappropriate comment in IMHO, not for “calling the religious idiots.” You lied about that previously in this thread, and now you’ve just lied about it again. This is particularly stupid, since anyone who cares to check the original can see that you are lying. Since you are lying repeatedly about an action that is the very basis of your complaint, of course it is not changing the topic to call you on it. Liar. [/QUOTE] Sorry, I ran out of edit. So in post 32 Czarcasm replies to Ellen Cherry’s complaint [QUOTE=Ellen Cherry] The only thing I really dislike about the Straight Dope (and I’ve been here a long time) is how these type of insults are tolerated. It’s further than that: Embraced. [/QUOTE] with [QUOTE=Czarcasm] Not in this forum-next time, just hit the “Report This Post To A Moderator” button. [/QUOTE] It’s an insult she complains about and one that Czarcasm suggests she report. That’s not threadshitting she’s complaining about, it’s an insult. Of the religious. Now do you wish to call me a liar again? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/195 "2008-02-14T04:45:06Z")
[QUOTE=brownie55] You say his warning was about threadshitting, and I suppose you have talked to Czarcasm and confirmed it. I read it differently, I saw it as a warning for attacking the religious. He really did not say what was inappropriate, only that the response was. . [/QUOTE] Did you read the warning in the original thread? I quoted it before: [QUOTE=Czarcasm] [Official Moderator Warning]This is an inappropriate response for an IMHO thread, and you’ve certainly been here long enough to know that.[/Official Moderator Warning] And when used to identify that particular religion, “Catholic” is capitalized. [/QUOTE] This is the post in its entirety. If you “read it as a warning for attacking the religious,” then you’re reading something into it that isn’t there at all. This speaks more to your own prejudice on the matter than anything in the post itself. In this thread, \*\*Dinsdale \*\* asked **Czarcasm** to provide an explanation. **Czarcasm’s** very first response was: [QUOTE=Czarcasm] To Dinsdale-Your post was threadshitting, plain and simple. What others may or may not have gotten away with in the past is neither here nor there. [/QUOTE] Yet you have been blathering on and on, claiming that in the original thread he warned **Dinsdale** for _insulting Catholics_, which he clearly did not. You also claimed he _changed his story_ to say that the offense was threadshitting, when in fact that was the first response he gave. > [@](#): > > I never felt I was lying, only interpreting differently. If you feel better calling me a liar, OK, I can live with that. When your “interpretation” is directly contrary to the actual facts of the matter, as is easily shown by the posts above, and on top of that you repeatedly claimed that **Czarcasm** was lying about the sequence of events, I don’t think there is anything else to call you but liar. If you want to call lying “interpreting it differently,” I guess that’s up to you. But I don’t think anyone else is really going to buy it. > [@](#): > > But, you are the mod, so I’ll defer to you. Rather late for that, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/196 "2008-02-14T04:50:26Z")
[QUOTE=brownie55] It’s an insult she complains about and one that Czarcasm suggests she report. That’s not threadshitting she’s complaining about, it’s an insult. Of the religious. Now do you wish to call me a liar again? [/QUOTE] Yes. That’s not what **Czarcasm** warned **Dinsdale** for. Liar. ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/197 "2008-02-14T04:53:02Z")
[QUOTE=Colibri] Did you read the warning in the original thread? I quoted it before: This is the post in its entirety. If you “read it as a warning for attacking the religious,” then you’re reading something into it that isn’t there at all. This speaks more to your own prejudice on the matter than anything in the post itself. In this thread, \*\*Dinsdale \*\* asked **Czarcasm** to provide an explanation. **Czarcasm’s** very first response was: Yet you have been blathering on and on, claiming that in the original thread he warned **Dinsdale** for _insulting Catholics_, which he clearly did not. You also claimed he _changed his story_ to say that the offense was threadshitting, when in fact that was the first response he gave. When your “interpretation” is directly contrary to the actual facts of the matter, as is easily shown by the posts above, and on top of that you repeatedly claimed that **Czarcasm** was lying about the sequence of events, I don’t think there is anything else to call you but liar. If you want to call lying “interpreting it differently,” I guess that’s up to you. But I don’t think anyone else is really going to buy it. Rather late for that, don’t you think? [/QUOTE] I’m sorry, did you not read the exchange between Czarcasm and Ellen Cherry? The one where he says that he won’t allow insults in his forum? Insults, not thread shitting? Please try again. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/198 "2008-02-14T05:46:37Z")
[QUOTE=brownie55] I’m sorry, did you not read the exchange between Czarcasm and Ellen Cherry? The one where he says that he won’t allow insults in his forum? Insults, not thread shitting? Please try again. [/QUOTE] I’ll take this one. Try to wrap your brain around this one-I’m not partial to insults _or_ thread shitting in IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/199 "2008-02-14T05:50:03Z")
Once again, you’re ignoring the distinction between insulting a poster and insulting a group that includes posters. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952/200 "2008-02-14T05:53:40Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] Once again, you’re ignoring the distinction between insulting a poster and insulting a group that includes posters. [/QUOTE] We’ve done this argument-didn’t fly then and it doesn’t fly now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-catholic-opinion-warrants-official-warning/436952.md?page=9)