# Anti-choicers slip soft fetus toys into kids' candy bags at ND state fair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 25, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505 "2013-07-25T17:30:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/181 "2013-07-30T19:53:48Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t think anybody actually missed it. They’ve decided it’s not important. Unless you turn the tables and then you’re a pedophile for discussing sex with kids. :rolleyes: It’s perfectly possible (indeed, likely) to generally dislike abortion and call yourself pro-life and not be a lying sack of woman hating shit. But I have never seen a true “pro-life” _activist_ who was anything else. The leaders of this movement are not the same as it’s nominal adherents, most of whom are ok people. The leaders are lying misogynists. And **Ají de Gallina** , the fetus was absolutely inaccurately portrayed, as has already been shown. But what else can you expect from these types of people? They never let facts get in the way of their opinions. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/182 "2013-07-30T20:02:19Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > The leaders of this movement are not the same as it’s nominal adherents . . . It’s like that with every movement, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/183 "2013-07-30T20:35:47Z")
Random question, but do fetuses that small actually have different skin colours? I mean, they don’t _have_ skin yet, do they? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/184 "2013-07-30T20:41:19Z")
I’ve spent some time talking with anti-abortion people and reading their side. They are so screwed up it makes your head spin. I would never want to be associated with their side. [Cite](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/625343/posts) > [@Men Hurt From Abortion Too](#): > > Men may suffer from a form of sexual dysfunction such as impotency. Some become addicted to pornography and masturbation - allowing them to experience sexual gratification while maintaining control. Some men experiment with homosexuality because it allows them to have a “successful” sexual relationship with no commitment and no worry of pregnancy. Their agenda is simple: THEY WANT TO STOP ALL ABORTIONS. They will break each and every commandment to do so. Killing people is a great way to proclaim yourself “pro-life.” And the 9/11 radical Islamist were following a “religion of peace.” ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/185 "2013-07-30T21:08:28Z")
> [@Filbert](#): > > Random question, but do fetuses that small actually have different skin colours? I mean, they don’t _have_ skin yet, do they? Heh. Good point. They do have skin, but it’s very very thin, and it doesn’t have melanocytes in it until 70-80 days, and [they don’t produce racially identifiable different amounts of melanin until 32 weeks of gestation.](http://books.google.com/books?id=V_eN8H3JzGcC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=when+do+melanocytes+develop+embryologically&source=bl&ots=z3TFAbqTH7&sig=aUK3B7L54BNKtHmZbsb8TBfh-2c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_if4UdviDZTI4APz84CACg&ved=0CG0Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=when%20do%20melanocytes%20develop%20embryologically&f=false) So no, you wouldn’t see a difference in an Ethnic baby at 10-12 weeks. (warning: pictures of a micropreemie with intensive care level medical equipment ahead) My daughter, like all micropreemies, was [red-pink (“erythematous”) at 23 weeks](http://www.flickr.com/photos/9460062@N07/664742720/in/set-72157600557146627), 'cause you could see all the capillaries through her tissue thin skin. Her general body color was about like the inside of a sore throat (and she was moist from the Aquafor ointment her nurse kept her slathered in to reduce skin tears). Seeing her for the first time under the blue bilirubin lights, I thought she was somebody else’s baby…because [she looked like she was made of milk chocolate](http://www.flickr.com/photos/9460062@N07/664743772/in/set-72157600557146627)! (We’re not Ethnic.) ([She’s fine now](http://www.flickr.com/photos/9460062@N07/9404696732/), thanks.) ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/186 "2013-07-30T21:25:27Z")
Ahh, great, thanks 🙂 Wonder why they don’t make the toys that colour… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/187 "2013-07-30T22:06:39Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > they don’t produce racially identifiable different amounts of melanin until 32 weeks of gestation. So no, you wouldn’t see a difference in an Ethnic baby at 10-12 weeks. A friend of mine said his expected Black baby looked White. Fearing there had been a mix up, he asked, “Is there a White woman here who is also in trouble?” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/188 "2013-07-31T00:48:25Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > I’ve spent some time talking with anti-abortion people and reading their side. They are so screwed up it makes your head spin. I would never want to be associated with their side. [Cite](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/625343/posts) > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by \*\*Men Hurt From Abortion Too \*\* > > > > Men may suffer from a form of sexual dysfunction such as impotency. Some become addicted to pornography and masturbation - allowing them to experience sexual gratification while maintaining control. Some men experiment with homosexuality because it allows them to have a “successful” sexual relationship with no commitment and no worry of pregnancy. 😕 It seems he’s saying men become impotent, or porn addicts, or gay, because they’re afraid of getting women pregnant. Taking abortion off the market is supposed to make that **better?!** ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/189 "2013-07-31T01:44:47Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Taking abortion off the market is supposed to make that **better?!** It’s no more illogical than anything else they believe. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/190 "2013-07-31T01:56:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How could you possibly miss: Is it trying to influence other people’s children about a very private matter without the permission of the parents? I don’t believe you would’ve been (even remotely as) peeved by basically anything except a reminder of a scientific truth, i.e., that whatver the humanness of the fetus, it is destroyed during an abortion. Suddenly scientific truth isn’t good enough. Would you be against toys that discouraged PCP use? It’s only because it’s about abortion, period. > [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t think anybody actually missed it. They’ve decided it’s not important. Totally the opposite. > [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > Unless you turn the tables and then you’re a pedophile for discussing sex with kids. :rolleyes: > > It’s perfectly possible (indeed, likely) to generally dislike abortion and call yourself pro-life and not be a lying sack of woman hating shit. But I have never seen a true “pro-life” _activist_ who was anything else. The leaders of this movement are not the same as it’s nominal adherents, most of whom are ok people. The leaders are lying misogynists. > > And **Ají de Gallina** , the fetus was absolutely inaccurately portrayed, as has already been shown. But what else can you expect from these types of people? They never let facts get in the way of their opinions. Would you have been “more” OK if the toys were 100% accurate. BTW, I am “these type of people” and yeah, we care about scientific truth. > [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > I’ve spent some time talking with anti-abortion people and reading their side. They are so screwed up it makes your head spin. I would never want to be associated with their side. [Cite](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/625343/posts) > > Their agenda is simple: THEY WANT TO STOP ALL ABORTIONS. They will break each and every commandment to do so. Killing people is a great way to proclaim yourself “pro-life.” And the 9/11 radical Islamist were following a “religion of peace.” Killing people? More abortion-providers have been killed by other abortion-providers than by pro-life people since Roe. It’s all very simple. People who like abortion, don’t like that other people hate it. Pro-choice IS pro-abortion, always. Abortion is more complicated than putting mayo on your hot dog. Nobody’s pro-choice on slavery or spousal abuse. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/191 "2013-07-31T02:11:23Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Would you have been “more” OK if the toys were 100% accurate. > BTW, I am “these type of people” and yeah, we care about scientific truth. This is hilarious. “Ok, the toys aren’t scientifically accurate but SO WHAT! What difference does it make? Also, I really care about scientific truth” Since you made my argument for me, now I will just type gibberish. bleepbloopmeepmorpchunkachunkaMEOW ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/192 "2013-07-31T02:11:30Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > IMore abortion-providers have been killed by other abortion-providers than by pro-life people since Roe. Cite? > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Abortion is more complicated than putting mayo on your hot dog. But less disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/193 "2013-07-31T02:14:17Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Totally the opposite. Pull the other one. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/194 "2013-07-31T02:23:43Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > People who like abortion No one likes abortion, you silly silly man. Do you suppose soft, squishy fetus toys could do double duty as comfy pillows on long plane flights? ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/195 "2013-07-31T02:52:26Z")
Can we get an ice-cube tray/mold to make our own? A few made with watermellon or raspberry juice would be just the thing in a cool drink after a day working in the yard. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/196 "2013-07-31T03:00:16Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Pro-choice IS pro-abortion, always. Nope. Pro-choice means we aren’t getting up in anybody elses business, they can choose what they want without anyone trying to influence them. > [@](#): > > Nobody’s pro-choice on slavery or spousal abuse. Because those things hurt people. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/197 "2013-07-31T03:00:38Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > This is hilarious. > > “Ok, the toys aren’t scientifically accurate but SO WHAT! What difference does it make? Also, I really care about scientific truth” > > Since you made my argument for me, now I will just type gibberish. > bleepbloopmeepmorpchunkachunkaMEOW Yuor complaint was that they weren’t accurate and my questions was if accuracy was the problem. I support scientifically accurate fetus toys that would discourage people from having and/or promoting abortions. I also support not quite scientifically accurate fetus toys that would discourage people from having and/or promoting abortions. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Cite? > > Wiki says 8 people have been killed by anti-abortion violence. > [This link](http://www.prochoiceviolence.com/intro) goes to 100. > [@Marley23](#): > > Pull the other one. No thanks. > [@Jackmannii](#): > > No one likes abortion, you silly silly man. That’s what you say, but the vehemnt defense it gets is surprising for something supposedly not liked. It is seen, at the very least, as an incredibly postive thing. > [@](#): > > Do you suppose soft, squishy fetus toys could do double duty as comfy pillows on long plane flights? Sure, it’s a toy, but since it’s scientifically inaccurate your point will be lost. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/198 "2013-07-31T03:23:56Z")
No, that link goes to “400 Bad Request.” There’s a **page,** labeled “PRO CHOICE VIOLENCE,” but it displays no actual content I can see. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/199 "2013-07-31T04:21:00Z")
Actually, it has content; it takes a bit of time to load, though. I’m not going to bother perusing the contents, however; my evenings off work are too precious, and there are literally THOUSANDS of free pornography images I haven’t viewed yet. I’ll content myself with a blanket condemnation of pro-choice violence, wherever it occurs. I’ll also point out that its existence, however widespread (or otherwise) it may be, does not make the pro-choice position the less ethical one. **Ají de Gallina** , a question: are you arguing that no woman ever makes a free and conscious _choice_ to bear a child? It’s my understanding that the pro-choice position implicitly supports _that_ choice as well. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/200 "2013-07-31T10:56:01Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Yuor complaint was that they weren’t accurate and my questions was if accuracy was the problem. It’s\*\*\* A\*\*\* problem. It’s not the only problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505.md?page=11)