# Anti-choicers slip soft fetus toys into kids' candy bags at ND state fair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 25, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505 "2013-07-25T17:30:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/241 "2013-08-01T22:29:03Z")
What does it mean, “After adjusting for race”? ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/242 "2013-08-01T23:26:26Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > I also had an IUD for some time, and btst I did not mourn the loss of those diploid cells each month when the embryo failed to implant, due to my murderous actions. > > God rest their souls 😢 There is a word for people who don’t regret doing vey bad things. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > You misspelled _≠_. You mispelled “scientific facts that contradict my ideology scare me”. > [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Most of those “pro-choice” killings are boyfriends killing their pregnant girlfriends because they don’t want to have an abortion. How the fuck is that “pro-choice.” NO pro-choice person ever objects to a woman choosing to bear her child. > > Anti-abortion people, however, are killing people they do not know simply because they do not like the fact that they are performing a legal act. > > In his book “Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Questions,” Randy Alcorn compares killing doctors with burning sloveowners crops. Right, the life of a doctor is no more than some plants. Since I didn’t say “pro-choice”… The point was that “pro-lfe murderers” always comes in these discussions as it they were a common experience with 100 abortion providers being killed every year. The (horribly high because it’s not zero) numbrer is less than ten since Roe. I’m sure there have been more people killed in rock-paper-scissors compettitions and nobody says “fear the rochambo killers”. For such an important subject so heatedly discussed it’s astonishing that so few\* have died. \*(Few in the statistical sense, not the human value) Randy Alcorn answers for Randy Alcorn. (That phrase, if true and not out of context is wrong BTW) > [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Not gonna happen. The anti-abortion crowd views pregnancy as a “temporary minor convenience” that woman should suffer for getting pregnant, and that adoption is the answer because no adoption ever goes wrong. Can I get a quote for “temporary minor convenience”? Or at least for “temporary minor **in** convenience”? Basically every pro-life person I come across would gladly accept any procedure that would end the pregnancy whilst not kiling the baby. > [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > Yeah… _ **you** _ should shut up about science and let the grownups speak. Scientific accuracy, my ass. > > My abortions were… experiences, at best. Not children. The first one royally sucked ass because I was 16 and in the south, so I had to travel out of state to have it done. Scary!! The second one was nothing at all. Pee on the stick, see the line. Call the clinic, go in a day or so later, take a couple pills, go home. If that counts as a child to you, you’re delusional. > > My children, however… the planning and hoping, and then the joy when I found out I was pregnant! Then nine whole months of hope and pain and doctor’s visits and setting up the nursery. Finally going into labor, and going through hours of contractions and nausea, so that I could finally hold my baby in my arms. But that was only the beginning! All the sleepless nights, the worry, the happiness, the laughter. Reading to them, teaching them their letters and numbers, teaching them manners. Watching them cry and feeling hopeless. Seeing them cry and having a magic kiss that takes the tears away. Finally watching them toddle into the school building, looking so _tiny_ and vulnerable, and trying to smile till they can’t see you anymore, and then breaking down sobbing on the sidewalk because my babies were growing up. Punishing them when they do wrong, praising them when they do right. making breakfast, packing lunches, cooking dinner. The day in and day out of parenthood, for the last _thirteen years_. And knowing it will never ever stop, that no matter how big they get they will always be my children, my babies. > > THAT is a child. _That_ is parenthood. For you to compare all that to a little clump of cells I dealt with in a doctor visit is just fucked up. > > One of us holds children in contempt. One of us values life, and understands the importance of valuing kids. But it isn’t you. Devaluing human life because it doesn’t look like you want it. It’s an esthetic value, I see; not science. Please, leave your “I’m-such-a-good-mum-I-deserve-a-Hallmark-card” shtick for someone else. It’s startng to sound as if you’re feeling sorry about something and are trying to (over)compensate. Let’s see again: a) \*Home sapien sapiens \*DNA? Check. b) Growth processess self-regulated? Check. c) 50% DNA came from you? Check d) 50% DNA from dad? Check We have a winner: IT’S YOUR BABY!!! Sorry it doesn’t have the necessary looks or size for you to love him, but he still is. > [@OurLordPeace](#): > > [There is a way to collapse the abortion rate.](http://healthland.time.com/2012/10/05/study-free-birth-control-significantly-cuts-abortion-rates/) It’s fiscally conservative, also. How do Aji and Grumman feel about it? As I said on a previous thread: totally agree if it’s given to adults, despite my moral issues with artifical cotraception: abortion trumps them all. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/243 "2013-08-01T23:35:09Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > As I said on a previous thread: totally agree if it’s given to adults, despite my moral issues with artifical cotraception: abortion trumps them all. Defining “adult” as “anyone old enough to get pregnant,” I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/244 "2013-08-01T23:48:07Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Defining “adult” as “anyone old enough to get pregnant,” I hope. Legal adulthood. With minors I’d love parental permission or at the very least much greater care with hormones given to 12 y/o girls. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/245 "2013-08-02T00:10:33Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Devaluing human life because it doesn’t look like you want it. It’s an esthetic value, I see; not science. No. There’s a huge difference; scientifically as well as every other way, between a [five week old fetus](http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/medical/IM04050) and a [child](https://www.google.com/search?q=child&client=ubuntu&hs=YuO&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=w_X6UYm8AoW-9QTK-oD4Cw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=814). All sane people know this. If you truthfully cannot distinguish between these two things, you have mental issues. But of course, I know you can tell the difference. You’re just lying, as usual. > [@](#): > > Please, leave your “I’m-such-a-good-mum-I-deserve-a-Hallmark-card” shtick for someone else. It’s startng to sound as if you’re feeling sorry about something and are trying to (over)compensate. Ok, do you even _have_ kids? I mean real ones, not cell blobs in a jar or something. Between this and your last comment, I have to kinda doubt it. Nothing I posted was Hallmark card shtick, it’s just basic parenting stuff. And I don’t have anything to feel sorry for. I know this must be hard for you to understand, but I didn’t do anything wrong. When I was 16 and had an abortion, that was the best, most moral choice at the time. Had I brought that pregnancy to term, I probably would never have finished school, or been able to have my two actual kids. My life, and that non-existent kid’s life, would have been shit. Because of my abortion I was a better happier person, and consequently a better mother. When I had my second abortion at 30, it was mainly in service of my (actual born) children. I couldn’t afford another baby and still maintain their lifestyle and happiness. I would rather have a good college fund for my kids. That’s good parenting. Spitting out an endless number of babies in service of your ignorant agenda would be bad for my kids. > [@](#): > > Let’s see again: > a) \*Home sapien sapiens \*DNA? Check. > b) Growth processess self-regulated? Check. > c) 50% DNA came from you? Check > d) 50% DNA from dad? Check > We have a winner: IT’S YOUR BABY!!! > Sorry it doesn’t have the necessary looks or size for you to love him, but he still is. Funny how you decided it was a he. Anyway, wrong again. A baby is defined as: A very young child, esp. one newly or recently born. So no, not a baby. A _fetus_. Just as an acorn is not a tree, a fetus is not a baby, and is most certainly not a child. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/246 "2013-08-02T01:02:40Z")
> [@Ají de Gallina](#): > > Devaluing human life because it doesn’t look like you want it. It’s an esthetic value, I see; not science. It’s neither. You and/or your religious beliefs have decided that it is a human at conception. Great, no one cares UNTIL you try to force your beliefs off on other people. You can interpret the science any way you want, the bottom line is that the only reason you think having an abortion is the same thing as killing a human being is because of a decision _you_ made. Not scientists, not any god - you. And you do not have the right to tell other people what to do. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/247 "2013-08-02T01:17:19Z")
No rain today, I had to turn on the sprinkler for the dying grass. ---
**Author:** ![Girlundone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Girlundone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girlundone)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/248 "2013-08-02T03:18:06Z")
> [@](#): > > No rain today, I had to turn on the sprinkler for the dying grass. Hot here. So hot. I’m roasting like a baby killer in Hell. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/249 "2013-08-02T03:30:03Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > No. > There’s a huge difference; scientifically as well as every other way, between a [five week old fetus](http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/medical/IM04050) and a [child](https://www.google.com/search?q=child&client=ubuntu&hs=YuO&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=w_X6UYm8AoW-9QTK-oD4Cw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=814). All sane people know this. If you truthfully cannot distinguish between these two things, you have mental issues. But of course, I know you can tell the difference. You’re just lying, as usual. So, it doensn’t look right, ok, back to esthetics. > [@](#): > > Ok, do you even _have_ kids? I mean real ones, not cell blobs in a jar or something. Between this and your last comment, I have to kinda doubt it. Nothing I posted was Hallmark card shtick, it’s just basic parenting stuff. You can “kinda doubt” whatever you want. Yeah it was “oh, I am so good, hoping, scraped knees, ohhh” > [@](#): > > And I don’t have anything to feel sorry for. I know this must be hard for you to understand, but I didn’t do anything wrong. When I was 16 and had an abortion, that was the best, most moral choice at the time. Had I brought that pregnancy to term, I probably would never have finished school, or been able to have my two actual kids. My life, and that non-existent kid’s life, would have been shit. Because of my abortion I was a better happier person, and consequently a better mother. So was it a crystal ball or did you hitch a ride with Dr. Who? > [@](#): > > When I had my second abortion at 30, it was mainly in service of my (actual born) children. I couldn’t afford another baby and still maintain their lifestyle and happiness. I would rather have a good college fund for my kids. That’s good parenting. Spitting out an endless number of babies in service of your ignorant agenda would be bad for my kids. Sure, killing one kid gets more food for the others, the ancient Romans did that too by putting them at the door. You’re still trying to justify yourself to me or explain how it was good. Ain’t gonna work. “Endless babies”? Where did that come from? Not for me that’s for sure. > [@](#): > > Funny how you decided it was a he. Yeah, it’s funny. > [@](#): > > Anyway, wrong again. A baby is defined as: A very young child, esp. one newly or recently born. Wow! You can use a dictionary and all? > [@](#): > > So no, not a baby. A _fetus_. Just as an acorn is not a tree, a fetus is not a baby, and is most certainly not a child. Ok, not a baby, I’ll grant you that. A human. > [@curlcoat](#): > > It’s neither. You and/or your religious beliefs have decided that it is a human at conception. Great, no one cares UNTIL you try to force your beliefs off on other people. > > You can interpret the science any way you want, the bottom line is that the only reason you think having an abortion is the same thing as killing a human being is because of a decision _you_ made. Not scientists, not any god - you. > > And you do not have the right to tell other people what to do. If you could be so kind as to indicate where I mentioned a religious concept in this thread, I’d appreciate it. Yeah, I do, we all do, all the time. ---
**Author:** ![OurLordPeace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e8c25b/32.png) [@OurLordPeace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OurLordPeace)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/250 "2013-08-02T06:05:29Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Ok, not a baby, I’ll grant you that. > A human. > > If you could be so kind as to indicate where I mentioned a religious concept in this thread, I’d appreciate it. Opposition to abortion is usually (but not necessarily) religious, and when combined with your apparent attitudes about contraception, it seems like a fair assumption on curlcoat’s part. Now, a human fetus is still a fetus, not an autonomous entity (“human being”). As curlcoat mentioned, referring to acorns, they may be nuts of oak trees (and no other plant), but they are not trees. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/251 "2013-08-02T06:22:02Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > If you could be so kind as to indicate where I mentioned a religious concept in this thread, I’d appreciate it. I said “you _and/or_ your religious beliefs”. > [@](#): > > Yeah, I do, we all do, all the time. Whether or not you do it all the time is immaterial - you do not have the right to interfere in the lives of others, particularly in something that private and that important. And if you are male, it’s none of your business at all. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/252 "2013-08-02T13:30:16Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > Opposition to abortion is usually (but not necessarily) religious, and when combined with your apparent attitudes about contraception, it seems like a fair assumption on curlcoat’s part. It wasn’t a “fair assumprion”. It was a sad try to score points by invoking the reiligion bogeyman. > [@](#): > > Now, a human fetus is still a fetus, not an autonomous entity (“human being”). As curlcoat mentioned, referring to acorns, they may be nuts of oak trees (and no other plant), but they are not trees. Fetuses are autonomous, their development is self -regulated. > [@curlcoat](#): > > I said “you _and/or_ your religious beliefs”. > > Whether or not you do it all the time is immaterial - you do not have the right to interfere in the lives of others, particularly in something that private and that important. And if you are male, it’s none of your business at all. Yeah, I do. I (and you) support all sorts rules that tell others what (not) to do all the time. When you kill someone else it stops being private. Nice sexism, nice, very pro-choice. ---
**Author:** ![Girlundone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Girlundone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girlundone)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/253 "2013-08-02T13:57:46Z")
> [@](#): > > Fetuses are autonomous, their development is self -regulated. Is a fetus able to develop independently from its host? ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/254 "2013-08-02T14:51:54Z")
> [@Girlundone](#): > > Is a fetus able to develop independently from its host? Fetuses don’t develop in a host, they aren’t parasites. If you mean the mum, no. I sincerely hope that needing help to survive doesn’t mean you can kill that person. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/255 "2013-08-02T15:14:48Z")
Your definition of autonomy needs work. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/256 "2013-08-02T15:42:49Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Your definition of autonomy needs work. But… but… _he said he really cares about scientific accuracy_!!! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/257 "2013-08-02T15:50:23Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Your definition of autonomy needs work. Care to offer one one? > [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > But… but… _he said he really cares about scientific accuracy_!!! > :eek: At least you’ve stopped apologising. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/258 "2013-08-02T15:56:04Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Fetuses don’t develop in a host, they aren’t parasites. > If you mean the mum, no. I sincerely hope that needing help to survive doesn’t mean you can kill that person. Can you think of any other situation where society grants the right to use another person’s organs, regardless of their consent, to assist in survival? ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/259 "2013-08-02T16:24:04Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > At least you’ve stopped apologising. I never apologized for anything in this thread. You are a liar. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/260 "2013-08-02T16:32:44Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > So, it doensn’t look right, ok, back to esthetics. Ok, you’re either a complete moron, a crazy person, or a liar. Actually, you’re probably all three. So, you know, kudos on that I guess. You hit the trifecta. > [@](#): > > You can “kinda doubt” whatever you want. > Yeah it was “oh, I am so good, hoping, scraped knees, ohhh” I **do** kinda doubt it. But If you have kids, and that description of parenthood seems like something only the Mother of the Year could write, I feel really really sorry for your kids. You are a terrible parent. > [@](#): > > Sure, killing one kid gets more food for the others, the ancient Romans did that too by putting them at the door. Damn but you’re dumb. _There was no kid_, you fucking fart balloon. > [@](#): > > You’re still trying to justify yourself to me or explain how it was good. Ain’t gonna work. I’m not justifying anything to you. I don’t particularly give a shit what you think. I enjoy calling you names on the computer and pointing out what a piece of shit liar you are. > [@](#): > > Ok, not a baby, I’ll grant you that. > A human. As human as the tonsils I had removed, and just as sentient. But I’m glad you’ve “granted me” scientific fact. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505.md?page=14)