# Anti-choicers slip soft fetus toys into kids' candy bags at ND state fair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 25, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505 "2013-07-25T17:30:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/61 "2013-07-25T23:19:14Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > They come in two shades: Caucasian and [Ethnic](http://www.christianbook.com/precious-one-12-week-fetal-models/pd/5009728?event=CF#curr) (_ethnic_ making its debut as a race and-or color). OK, so these two Ethnicks were walking down the street . . . ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/62 "2013-07-25T23:34:43Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > OK, so these two Ethnicks were walking down the street . . . Hey- they can call each other that, but it’s not right when you do it. ---
**Author:** ![Girlundone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Girlundone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girlundone)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/63 "2013-07-25T23:45:26Z")
Well I, for one, applaud that company for including the ethnic fetus choice. It shows how open-minded and diverse they are. It was an edgy move. I bet they had to pray about it first. ---
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/64 "2013-07-25T23:51:10Z")
I am pro choice but I would have no issue as long as there was no mention of abortion or religion (I am a Christian but I HATE sneak proselytizing) - just human development. Now I want to get one of those toys myself - I’m sure my cat would love to play with it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/65 "2013-07-25T23:53:08Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > I’ll post the same thing here I said on Facebook, which is: I really miss candy cigarettes. That was some good, clean fun. [Here ya go.](http://www.groovycandies.com/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=980) > [@Kimballkid](#): > > How about bubble gum cigars. Those were awesome!! [Bubble gum](http://www.groovycandies.com/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=6328) and [chocolate cigars](http://www.groovycandies.com/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=325), too. ---
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/66 "2013-07-25T23:53:21Z")
> [@Girlundone](#): > > Oh I’m sure these were intended as a great way for a pregnant mom to show her young children what the baby looks like. That’s why they _they come in a box of 50._. So who says you have to go with how it was intended - nothing stopping anyone taking that nasty intention and turning it into something useful and positive. You know lemons =\> lemonade ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/67 "2013-07-25T23:56:39Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > They should be edible and made from the same marshmallowy substance as [Circus Peanuts](http://www.spanglercandy.com/candy-store/circus-peanuts/circus-peanuts-12oz?gclid=CNGr5vOty7gCFTRo7AodeywA4Q). Make up your mind. ---
**Author:** ![Shoujin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoujin/32/3884_2.png) [@Shoujin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoujin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/68 "2013-07-26T00:00:48Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > They come in two shades: Caucasian and [Ethnic](http://www.christianbook.com/precious-one-12-week-fetal-models/pd/5009728?event=CF#curr) (_ethnic_ making its debut as a race and-or color). Oh whiskey tango foxtrot! I delivered a med weight box from this same shipper to one of my customers today. Multiple small objects were jostling around inside it, and the recipient is (based on her mail) very religious. Think it’d be wrong to ask for one to eat? ---
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/69 "2013-07-26T00:01:05Z")
Oh and I betcha the kids loved the squishy fetus ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/70 "2013-07-26T00:14:26Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The only positive for “your side” is that this dodge is not as repellent as what anti-abortion rights activists have [stuck up on billboards](http://gawker.com/5810123/a-gallery-of-weird-anti+abortion-billboards/) I’ve always wondered if that guy on the first billboard ever got laid again. (If I recall, his ex took him to court and succeeded in having the billboard removed.) I remember seeing those hideous “truth trucks” on campus at NC State…one of the groups also set up a display in the Brickyard that was a pictorial mash-up of fleshy red bits and anti-genocide slogans. And I can’t find the article right now, but are these the same fetus dolls that made the news after some high school kids handed them out to classmates, who then proceeded to fashion them into obscenely funny accessories? ---
**Author:** ![Girlundone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Girlundone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girlundone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/71 "2013-07-26T00:23:16Z")
[QUOTE=madrabbitwoman] So who says you have to go with how it was intended - nothing stopping anyone taking that nasty intention and turning it into something useful and positive. You know lemons =\> lemonade [/QUOTE] Oh good idea! I can think of lots of positive uses for a box of 50 fetus models. Glue them on sandals as a cute decoration Hair bows Picture frames (using both the Caucasian and ethnic ones will make it more eye catching) Microwave them-so cool, they become Picasso-like Finger puppets (five little fetuses sitting on a fence…) Omgsocute! I bet Pinterest is all over this. ---
**Author:** ![Tamex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Tamex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamex)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/72 "2013-07-26T00:24:52Z")
I remember being offered a pin from the “pro-choice” booth at a fair as a child/young teen (middle school age, probably) back in the 80’s. It was two tiny bare feet together, and was supposed to represent the actual size and appearance of fetus feet at X months of development (don’t remember). I refused, as it really weirded me out. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/73 "2013-07-26T00:41:42Z")
> [@madrabbitwoman](#): > > I am pro choice but I would have no issue as long as there was no mention of abortion or religion (I am a Christian but I HATE sneak proselytizing) - just human development. > > Now I want to get one of those toys myself - I’m sure my cat would love to play with it. You can get it [here](http://www.hh76.com/details.aspx?prod_id=3378). ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/74 "2013-07-26T00:57:54Z")
> [@Girlundone](#): > > Oh good idea! I can think of lots of positive uses for a box of 50 fetus models. > > Glue them on sandals as a cute decoration > Hair bows > Picture frames (using both the Caucasian and ethnic ones will make it more eye catching) > Microwave them-so cool, they become Picasso-like > Finger puppets (five little fetuses sitting on a fence…) > > Omgsocute! I bet Pinterest is all over this. Put one in a condom and re-ennact the ending of _2001: A Space Odyssey_ ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/75 "2013-07-26T01:18:27Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > I’m “pro-choice” myself, but I have to say that anytime I hear the term “anti-choice” I roll my eyes. It demeans the issue. > > I sure as HELL am not excusing the actions of the idiots being pitted. I’m talking about something else. Using the term “anti-choice” shows a willful refusal to admit that there is even a debate. It’s the broken mirror image of “anti-life”. Abortion has never been Life vs Choice or Choice vs. Life. People with a brain know that. The people who use those terms don’t seem to. > > And don’t tell me which side used that tactic first. I don’t care. Either term throws up a red flag to me. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And what’s wrong with **that?** Anyway, I’m certainly not gonna call them “pro-lifers” while Pitting them, that’s just wrong. Is there a third term? Putting aside the notion that a group generally gets to pick its own name. I mean in their minds, they are protecting life, in your minds you are protecting choice. I would say anti-choice sets off all sorts of alarms. I would feel the same way about people that refer to pro-choice as baby-killers (and a lot of them do). Anti-abortion is probably more neutral but like I said, I generally think they should be called what they want. I mean after all, we have all come around to calling the tea-baggers the tea party, right? ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/76 "2013-07-26T01:19:40Z")
These little dolls do raise a question: do “pro-lifers” really think that a 10 week old fetus looks just like a miniature full-term baby, or are they just trying to fuck with the emotions of vulnerable people? ---
**Author:** ![Tamex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Tamex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamex)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/77 "2013-07-26T01:27:33Z")
> [@Tamex](#): > > I remember being offered a pin from the “pro-choice” booth at a fair as a child/young teen (middle school age, probably) back in the 80’s. It was two tiny bare feet together, and was supposed to represent the actual size and appearance of fetus feet at X months of development (don’t remember). I refused, as it really weirded me out. I mean “pro-life” :smack: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/78 "2013-07-26T01:30:04Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I mean after all, we have all come around to calling the tea-baggers the tea party, right? Only because the joke got old, not because it was ever inappropriate. (Besides, in apparent ignorance of its slang meaning, they called **themselves** Teabaggers before anyone else did.) ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/79 "2013-07-26T01:46:53Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I would say anti-choice sets off all sorts of alarms. But - they are. I’m not getting why it’s wrong to label them what they are? ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/80 "2013-07-26T01:47:48Z")
A lot of framing discussion in this thread. (Lakoff would be proud) > **[Inside the New Strategy Group Where Right-Wing Activists and Journalists...](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/groundswell-rightwing-group-ginni-thomas/)** > > Been hearing the phrase "politics over public safety" deployed against Obama lately by prominent conservatives? Meet Groundswell. It seems right wingers are upset they are “losing the propaganda battle”. Perhaps a dose or two of truth would be nice, but right now they just want to rename things. > [@](#): > > Terms like, ‘GOP,’ ‘Tea Party,’ ‘Conservative’ communicate ‘racism.’" The Groundswellers proposed an alternative: “Fredrick Douglas Republican,” a phrase, the memo noted, that “changes minds.” (His name is actually spelled “Frederick Douglass.”) The meeting notes also stated that an “active radical left is dedicated to destroy [sic] those who oppose them” with “vicious and unprecedented tactics. We are in a real war; most conservatives are not prepared to fight.” Actually, according to Lakoff, right wing think tanks have spent tens of millions of dollars framing terms over the last 40+ years. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/n4UfGZOPJjE/hqdefault.jpg "George Lakoff: Don't Think of an Elephant") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4UfGZOPJjE) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505.md?page=5)