# Anti-choicers slip soft fetus toys into kids' candy bags at ND state fair **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 25, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505 "2013-07-25T17:30:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/141 "2013-07-26T19:16:57Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Or lawyers! …or [Olympic athletes](http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/backgrounder-eric-robert.html)! ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/142 "2013-07-26T19:46:31Z")
> [@fudrucker](#): > > Inaccurate you wish. If you’re willing to kill another human being, just say so . It’s your constitutional right. Why are all you marxisits so ashamed of your ideology? Being away from the board for a few days means I miss all the fun, doesn’t it? Proud Marxist I am. ---
**Author:** ![Girlundone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Girlundone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girlundone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/143 "2013-07-26T19:53:51Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] Would it be OK if they were hard plastic? [/QUOTE] No, not according to the customer reviews on the Heritage House website. The kids don’t give two shits about the hard plastic ones, but the soft ones…now that’s an entirely different story. Apparently this customer uses them for teaching abstinence because of the correlation, you know, between the foam fetus and a low teenage pregnancy rate. > [@](#): > > After using the harder plastic ‘Young One’ in my abstinence classes in the public schools, I am really thankful for this newer “Precious One” which feels so life-like in comparison. The students often ‘tossed’ the harder plastic models as they passed it to the person next to them—but these Precious Ones feel so different, I have yet to have a student to not ‘respect’ them like they were real. Thanks for this newer model. > > By: Eleanore Warner > Inserted: 12/26/2012 I like how she says they feel so “life like”, as if she frequently touches 12 week old fetuses. [QUOTE=samprio] Hell, I’m gay and never wanted kids, but I hate fetuses so much I hired three different surrogate mothers to have my abortions, but do I ever get condemned in these threads? NO! And I’m beginning to be resentful [/QUOTE] .You’re not going to get condemned for those abortions because you’re a faggot. That’s lower than a baby killer, so condemned is just the default setting for you. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/144 "2013-07-26T20:18:21Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Is it wrong of me that my first impulse on finding one of those in a gift bag would be to buy a huge cherry slushy, cut the thing up into it then dash it all over the ground in front of the idiots handing them out? Even better if I could get forty or fifty of them in there. /thread ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/145 "2013-07-26T20:19:32Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > If Marx had any opinion at all on abortion I never heard of it. No, he said “marxisits”. Marxisit is what someone said to Groucho when being introduced at a party. ---
**Author:** ![InsomniaMama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ad7895/32.png) [@InsomniaMama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InsomniaMama)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/146 "2013-07-27T00:01:55Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > I’ll allow for the possible exception of the Roman Church. Jesus Christ on a stick, I don’t see how. I must be misreading this. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/147 "2013-07-27T00:13:49Z")
> [@InsomniaMama](#): > > Jesus Christ on a stick, I don’t see how. I must be misreading this. Some people feel that the position of the Catholic Church is truly pro-life because, in addition to being against abortion, they are also against the death penalty and most wars, and they support a social safety net to care for the kids born when you ban abortion (and birth control). Most US anti-abortion types have no problem with the death penalty or aggressive war, and are very much against welfare and food stamps, and anything that makes it easier for a person in bad circumstances to raise a child, so they don’t seem very pro-_life_, more pro-fetus. Obviously you can argue the Catholic Church isn’t pro-life either, and there’s plenty to support that, but at least they aren’t such flaming hypocrites about the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/148 "2013-07-27T00:30:06Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > Some people feel that the position of the Catholic Church is truly pro-life because, in addition to being against abortion, they are also against the death penalty and most wars, and they support a social safety net to care for the kids born when you ban abortion (and birth control). Most US anti-abortion types have no problem with the death penalty or aggressive war, and are very much against welfare and food stamps, and anything that makes it easier for a person in bad circumstances to raise a child, so they don’t seem very pro-_life_, more pro-fetus. > > Obviously you can argue the Catholic Church isn’t pro-life either, and there’s plenty to support that, but at least they aren’t such flaming hypocrites about the whole thing. And, of course, an aborted fetus will never grow to become an apple-cheeked altar boy . . . 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/149 "2013-07-27T01:06:15Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > Obviously you can argue the Catholic Church isn’t pro-life either, and there’s plenty to support that, but at least they aren’t such flaming hypocrites about the whole thing. Where did this Catholic concept come from, more people to be Catholic, more medieval slaves for Kings and Barons? Is there a scriptural basis? I am seriously interested. Don’t take this personal, I went to a Catholic High School, and pissing Priests off became part of my daily life. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/150 "2013-07-27T01:26:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Where did this Catholic concept come from, more people to be Catholic, more medieval slaves for Kings and Barons? Is there a scriptural basis? Every Sperm Is Sacred. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/151 "2013-07-27T01:39:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Every Sperm Is Sacred. Then I am in a boat load of trouble. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/152 "2013-07-27T01:48:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Then I am in a boat load of trouble. > ☹ **Some** sort of load, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Girlundone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Girlundone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girlundone)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/153 "2013-07-27T02:01:29Z")
A butt load of trouble? Nvm, different thread… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/154 "2013-07-27T03:11:42Z")
> [@fudrucker](#): > > Inaccurate you wish. If you’re willing to kill another human being, just say so . It’s your constitutional right. Why are all you marxisits so ashamed of your ideology? I’m willing to kill another human being, under fairly specific circumstances. I’m not a Marxist, though. I hate that guy. What a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/155 "2013-07-27T15:10:52Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Putting aside the notion that a group generally gets to pick its own name. I mean in their minds, they are protecting life, in your minds you are protecting choice. > > I would say anti-choice sets off all sorts of alarms. I would feel the same way about people that refer to pro-choice as baby-killers (and a lot of them do). > > Anti-abortion is probably more neutral but like I said, I generally think they should be called what they want. I mean after all, we have all come around to calling the tea-baggers the tea party, right? Anti-choice is what you’ll get when I become Queen. You’re 16, knocked up, with no means to support a baby? No kid for you! 35 & on welfare with 3 kids you don’t take care of? Abortion! As Queen, I would have saved the government millions just by ripping Octo-mom’s 8 fetuses from her skanky uterus. And FTR, lest you think I’m a bad person, I would not discriminate between white and ethnic fetuses. I’ll be an equal opportunity killer. ---
**Author:** ![lavenderviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cdc98d/32.png) [@lavenderviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lavenderviolet)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/156 "2013-07-27T20:57:49Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Again, not a comparable item. This fetus doll does not even mention abortion, and is a natural, positive stage of every human’s development, not a horrific situation that it is reasonable that a parent would want to hide from young children. Quit being a moron and at least try to argue in good faith. I give you credit for trying to have a reasonable conversation about this in a crowd where obviously the sentiment slants heavily in one way. I get tired of trying to engage people who are so gullible that they will mindlessly parrot abortion industry slogans about how pro-lifers are all “anti choice” and “don’t care about born people”. Myself, I am against abortion. I’m also a vegetarian who does volunteer work with a group that tries to preserve natural habitats in my community. I’m a doctor and I’d like to think that sometimes I have helped born people stay alive. Oh, and I am a female too. I am no less concerned about non-fetal life than any other person. About half of the American public identifies as pro-life. I don’t think there are very many stereotypes that accurately apply to half the population (but then again, people do that all the time in stereotyping men vs. women so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised). Some people have so bought into the marketing propaganda of the abortion industry that they can’t even **imagine** that reasonable people can disagree about abortion, or that a reasonable person might think poorly of things like [Kermit Gosnell’s house of horrors](http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/why-dr-kermit-gosnells-trial-should-be-a-front-page-story/274944/). ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/157 "2013-07-27T21:04:58Z")
“Abortion industry slogans”? Please, tell me how that phrase is any different from someone labeling the pro-life side as “anti-choice”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/158 "2013-07-27T21:52:34Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > Some people have so bought into the marketing propaganda of the abortion industry that they can’t even **imagine** that reasonable people can disagree about abortion, or that a reasonable person might think poorly of things like [Kermit Gosnell’s house of horrors](http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/why-dr-kermit-gosnells-trial-should-be-a-front-page-story/274944/). OTOH, some people are so befuddled by anti-choice blithering that they think Gosnell is a useful example of what pro-choicers want. Seriously - being anti-abortion because of Kermit Gosnel is like being anti-organ donation because of Jack the Ripper. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/159 "2013-07-27T23:15:30Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > I give you credit for trying to have a reasonable conversation about this in a crowd where obviously the sentiment slants heavily in one way. > I get tired of trying to engage people who are so gullible that they will mindlessly parrot abortion industry slogans about how pro-lifers are all “anti choice” and “don’t care about born people”. > > Myself, I am against abortion. I’m also a vegetarian who does volunteer work with a group that tries to preserve natural habitats in my community. I’m a doctor and I’d like to think that sometimes I have helped born people stay alive. Oh, and I am a female too. I am no less concerned about non-fetal life than any other person. > > About half of the American public identifies as pro-life. I don’t think there are very many stereotypes that accurately apply to half the population (but then again, people do that all the time in stereotyping men vs. women so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised). > Some people have so bought into the marketing propaganda of the abortion industry that they can’t even **imagine** that reasonable people can disagree about abortion, or that a reasonable person might think poorly of things like [Kermit Gosnell’s house of horrors](http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/why-dr-kermit-gosnells-trial-should-be-a-front-page-story/274944/). I was nodding along until you mentioned Gosnell. Then the whole post seemed super dumb. ☹ If you don’t like being insulted by the other side, perhaps you shouldn’t compare the people who want safe abortions with that monster. Just a thought. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505/160 "2013-07-27T23:38:35Z")
> [@Girlundone](#): > > Oh I’m sure these were intended as a great way for a pregnant mom to show her young children what the baby looks like. That’s why they _they come in a box of 50._. So many? You practically have to unload them with a pitchfork. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-choicers-slip-soft-fetus-toys-into-kids-candy-bags-at-nd-state-fair/664505.md?page=9)