# Anti-Feminism **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 17, 2015, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390 "2015-07-17T06:05:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/61 "2015-07-17T22:42:44Z")
> [@BrightSunshine](#): > > There is no evidence that parental care is overall superior to licensed group childcare. On average, perhaps. But parental care does not rule out partial group care. And I’m sure you’ll agree that some parents can do a better job than some groups. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/62 "2015-07-17T23:11:57Z")
> [@thirdname](#): > > That might be the criminal law for now, but would you tell that to feminists? They’re making posters such as the one linked to above, they’re teaching college students that you can’t consent when drunk, and they’re writing rules at colleges that drunk sex is rape and worthy of expulsion. In any relevant online discussion these days you will constantly hear “an intoxicated person cannot consent” which only applies to women of course. Try looking around Reddit for instance, this is ubiquitous. > > And affirmative consent isn’t just being suggested as a “best practice.” They’re making it a law in several states that colleges have to expel students if they don’t get it. Which will obviously only enforced against men. Under these rules, a college student who gives her boyfriend of 2 years a handjob while they both sit silently on the couch is guilty of sexual assault and should be expelled. They’re defining much or most normal sex as assault or rape, which will give college women the arbitrary power to have any current or former lovers expelled. Do we have any reason to believe this poster was produced by “the feminists?” The only identification on it is “Coastal Carolina University”, which no doubt employees a range of people. It looks to me like the work of an older person concerned about kids these days and “hookup culture.” The poster is also eight years old, and the university long ago changed their approach. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/63 "2015-07-17T23:12:27Z")
> [@JVDaly](#): > > What is that as a percentage of women who run for office in the first place? I dunno, what is the percentage of campaign funding available? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/64 "2015-07-17T23:16:20Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > And if it were as simple as gay or racial rights, that would be that > > But for this issue, one side carries the fetus for nine months and the other does not. Accommodations can be made, and some will be seen as reasonable and long overdue, while others as unfair entitlements sought by self-serving advocates. :dubious: Yes, you are correct, a woman does in fact carry the fetus. Do women only carry female fetuses? Do they only live in households with other women? Can supporting them in anyway in this regard help males in the slightest? ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/65 "2015-07-17T23:38:33Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > The mechanics of reproduction are only a part of the issue. One side gets pregnant, the other does not. That effects every feminist issue. Want to prevent rape? Genetically modify men so that a possible consequence is _their_ getting pregnant. I’m sure you and your husband work very hard to establish equal co-parenting. But why is that such a chore for humans, and not for species like ducks? What planet are you on where shared parenting responsibilities is some kind of impossible dream, while life when women did all the housework was a utopia? Its really not that hard. Both people work, both people do housework. Millions do it. It’s not some crazy struggle. I have no idea what you are saying about rape and pregnancy, but I’ll assume you understand fear of getting pregnant is not the main reason why women don’t want to get raped. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/66 "2015-07-18T00:13:27Z")
> [@thirdname](#): > > That might be the criminal law for now, but would you tell that to feminists? They’re making posters such as the one linked to above, they’re teaching college students that you can’t consent when drunk, and they’re writing rules at colleges that drunk sex is rape and worthy of expulsion. In any relevant online discussion these days you will constantly hear “an intoxicated person cannot consent” which only applies to women of course. Try looking around Reddit for instance, this is ubiquitous. > > And affirmative consent isn’t just being suggested as a “best practice.” They’re making it a law in several states that colleges have to expel students if they don’t get it. Which will obviously only enforced against men. Under these rules, a college student who gives her boyfriend of 2 years a handjob while they both sit silently on the couch is guilty of sexual assault and should be expelled. They’re defining much or most normal sex as assault or rape, which will give college women the arbitrary power to have any current or former lovers expelled. I have heard from several feminists on my facebook page about this poster. Every one of them disapproved of it. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/67 "2015-07-18T00:14:28Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > The poster is also eight years old, and the university long ago changed their approach. _I did not know that!_. This explains so much. Where did you learn this? ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/68 "2015-07-18T00:16:41Z")
But conflict over parenting is a major source of aggravation between spouses. And no, pregnancy isn’t the main concern of a women as she faces assault. But tell me why fee is mainly a male activity? If equality between the sexes is possible, can men be conditioned so that the small percentage among them who experience sexual assault as a satisfactory sensation are somehow eliminated? Biology _is_ destiny, to some, hopefully small extent, no matter how much we work to mitigate it. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/69 "2015-07-18T00:29:32Z")
Historically, men have had enormous freedom to leave their wives and cheat on their wives, and also to kill their wives if the wives cheated. Anglo-Saxon culture has regarded married women as something other than persons, instead an organ of their husbands, for most of its existence. Women who stay home and care for children are often disadvantaged compared to their husbands, especially in the bourgeoisie. So, yeah, feminism is reacting to some real problems. And now we have to work out the kinks. And posts like OP’s are a good way of pointing out how much work we need to do on that, even if he conveniently for his argument leaves out _most of_ the historical big picture. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/70 "2015-07-18T01:04:48Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > But conflict over parenting is a major source of aggravation between spouses. > > And no, pregnancy isn’t the main concern of a women as she faces assault. But tell me why fee is mainly a male activity? If equality between the sexes is possible, can men be conditioned so that the small percentage among them who experience sexual assault as a satisfactory sensation are somehow eliminated? > > Biology _is_ destiny, to some, hopefully small extent, no matter how much we work to mitigate it. Do you think parents didn’t fight about child rearing before? Do you think it wasn’t hard? Do you think everyone was satisfied with their role? Everyone enjoys money, but we manage to keep robbery under control. We have a justice system to manage people who can’t keep their criminal urges under control. Biology exists, but if we can manage not to kill each other for our food stores all the time, I think we can manage not to run around raping each other. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/71 "2015-07-18T01:31:21Z")
> [@BrightSunshine](#): > > I’ve watched the video 5 times and I honestly can’t see how anyone can say that she escalated it. He jammed his elbow into her back. She turned around to tell him, and he pushed even harder. She raised her fist to warn him, and he pushed harder still and grabbed her. While I support the the guy’s arrest, I don’t think this is an accurate summation. The bar was crowded. She squeezed herself in, as we all have done. There was even less space now and he was trying to do the same thing, engaging more with the girl to his left than the one on the right. The blonde then turns and immediately has a fist raised. He tries to hold her off then she punches him. I think she was probably a little drunk to do that, and that’s what escalated things. And then she throws the punch. So, up to this point, she’s the one I say deserves the blame. But there was no reason he had to clock her the way he did. She posed no threat to him. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/72 "2015-07-18T03:24:23Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I’m going to start with what I consider both the most difficult and most important concept: feminism is not, and has never been, about exterminating patriarchy. > > > > Feminism is about providing women with freedom without accountability; > > Cite? (You’d better be prepared to back up the thesis that the entire endeavor is about that, not just this or that individual or organization) That’s the thesis, or summary, of my argument. It’s not a “fact” that can be linked to a cite. The following paragraphs are the arguments that back up the thesis. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > in a “Men’s Rights Movement” (a terrible name, by the way), you simply question their masculinity. “No ‘real man’ would be part of such a group.” > > Most feminist criticisms of the “men’s rights movement” have been that its participants are not sufficiently different from “men” in the “real men” sense. Few feminists embrace the phrase “real man” as some kind of positive term. I’m not sure what you’re saying in the first sentence. In the second, I think you may be saying feminists wouldn’t attack a men’s group for being unmanly (saying, they’re “neckbeard virgin losers living in their mothers’ basements” for example. I think you’d be wrong. Or you could be saying that some feminists say men shouldn’t be manly, or they should be more like women. Or even that masculinity itself is inherently evil or wrong. If that’s what you’re saying, I’d agree. ---
**Author:** ![Hellestal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ab097/32.png) [@Hellestal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hellestal)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/73 "2015-07-18T03:37:35Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > _I did not know that!_. This explains so much. > > Where did you learn this? I googled “Jake Josie drunk poster” and came up with this [reddit answer](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3d1ycd/where_did_the_jake_and_josie_poster_i_keep_saying/), which was apparently posted today. They emailed the university itself to find out about it. What’s hilarious/sad is how many of the other first page results are people extrapolating from this self-selected, non-random piece of “evidence” in order to make sweeping generalizations about an entire group of people. I guess that’s how lah-jick works on their planet. But of course, we in this thread need not look far for an essentially identical example of intellectual failure. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/74 "2015-07-18T04:10:36Z")
I agree mostly with **LinusK** and it isn’t because I don’t want equality or hate women or anything of the sort. I have two rather young daughters of my own that I would kill for and nobody is going to screw them over or discriminate against on my watch. However, I do think that feminism has become hopelessly tainted by extremists just like the Republican party has and that is more of an under rather than an over-exaggeration. As an independent, the things I hear in the media about modern day feminism are no less absurd than anything coming out of Fox news or any ultra-conservative outlet. I am certainly not the only person that has noticed that including many sensible women. I have suggested it before and even been taken seriously by a feminist blog that moderate and sensible feminists really need to think about dumping the extremists and the label “feminism” and start a brand new equality movement if that is their honest goal. Speaking as a man, the name “feminism” is off-putting for lots of reasons but, more importantly, it isn’t even accurate. It relies on stereotypical assumptions that don’t reflect reality. There are butch lesbians that call themselves feminists that embody more masculism than I ever will. It also puts feminism and masculism into direct conflict with one another like they are Yin and Yang but that is not true. There isn’t inherent feminine or masculine qualities to most behaviors and, even if there were, people of both sexes/genders differ within them on an overlapping scale. If you want true support for a mainstream movement, you need to call it something like ‘sex and gender equality’ and include everyone. The current movement is way too extreme, divisive and self-contradictory to anyone that is not directly served by promoting an inflammatory agenda. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/75 "2015-07-18T06:02:51Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by LinusK > > The cost of losing a woman, on the other hand, represents an absolute, irreplaceable decline in reproductive rate of the entire group. If there was something dangerous to do, men did it. > > I’ve seen this often repeated, and believe it’s a misunderstanding of the nature of evolution. Evolution works on the individual level, meaning for each individual man there is no greater catastrophe than losing his own life (or that of his children). Other men & women in the group only matters to the extend that they’re close family (which of course they tended to be) – the group as a whole, not so important. The difference in reproductive success was due to women being handled as resource on line with cattle and to polygamy. (also birthing was dangerous. In recorded history it was only recently that the average lifespan of women exceeded that of men) I’m not quite sure whether you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me about evolution. My claim is that humans evolved as a social species, meaning both that we lived in groups, and that individuals within the group depended on each other - not just for survival, but also for successful reproduction. Humans are exceptional, because of our babies are unusually helpless for an unusually long period of time, and because childbirth is more difficult and more dangerous for women than for females of other species. A woman who’s about to give birth, or has recently given birth, is simultaneously both more helpless and in need of more resources and protection than anyone else. Unless a group - tribe, clan, or whatever - provides the help she needs, that group is not likely to reproduce successfully. To put it differently, if you’re a man, and you’re part of a group that doesn’t take care of its women, it really doesn’t matter how often you have sex, or how strong or fast you are: your group is not going to make it. Your children are going to die, which means they won’t have children of their own. > [@](#): > > And Emma Sulkowicz is done for. Much like Monica Lewinsky she’ll never be able to outrun the story; she ruined her own life unless she wants to turn it into some kind of reality show like Paris Hilton. > > Anyway, modern feminists are silly. Patriarchy, trigger warnings and micro aggression. Nobody takes them serious outside US campuses. I don’t know that you’re right about feminists not being taken seriously outside academia. Domestic violence is an example that comes to mind. Feminists were convinced that police were not arresting enough (male) abusers, so they pushed for mandatory arrest policies, and increased punishments for “family violence” crimes. Only, they didn’t quite get what they wished for. Where before the police would walk away when they figured out it was the woman doing the hitting (or throwing or slapping or pushing or whatever), they started arresting them, instead. Arrests of women for domestic violence went from something close to zero to about 1/3 (where I live). Now, that’s not what the feminists were after. So they started again. [From Feminist.org](http://www.feminist.org/911/crisis_facts.html): > [@](#): > > **Although many studies report that men and women use physical violence at equal rates within intimate relationships** , this fails to take into account the nature of the violence and the level of fear and injury experienced by each party. > > Several studies document that women experience higher levels of fear than men do… > > Recent years have seen an increase in the number of women arrested for domestic violence… Some have attributed this to the increase in “mandatory arrest” policies, in which police are required to make an arrest if there is probable cause that a person has committed domestic violence. Passage of these laws was advocated by feminists and domestic violence experts to address the inadequate response to domestic violence victims by law enforcement. [Bolding mine.] So instead of mandating arrests, they now want police to decide who the “primary aggressor” was. > [@](#): > > To counteract this problem, some departmental or statewide policies now provide guidelines for an officer to determine who is the “primary aggressor” in a violent incident… The primary aggressor is defined as “the person determined to be the most significant, rather than the first, aggressor.” This is, I think, a not-so-subtle way of telling police, “Hey, arrest the GUY.” What’s amazing about it is that even while acknowledging that women are just as likely to resort to violence as men, they still want only men to go to jail for it. Not women. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/76 "2015-07-18T06:24:37Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > This is, I think, a not-so-subtle way of telling police, “Hey, arrest the GUY.” > > What’s amazing about it is that even while acknowledging that women are just as likely to resort to violence as men, they still want only men to go to jail for it. Not women. Yes, I made 911 call once after my ex-wife kicked me hard breaking two ribs when I was sleeping on the couch. She took off before I could even wake up and get my breath back. The police responded and said they would call an ambulance but there was nothing else they could do even though I requested that they file domestic violence charges against her. I just had to go to the doctor the next day to get an x-ray and lie about how I got the injuries ( I fell off a bike Doc). That was the worst injury she ever caused me but punches to the face and full force slaps were frequent. I never hit her at all and she knew that I wouldn’t. You simply can’t report such things as a man and no one will listen or respond if you do even if you sustain injuries that require medical care. In my experience, women are more likely to hit men violently than vice versa just because they know that they can get away with it. If a woman is very high-spirited and aggressive, she basically has a full license to abuse her man in any way she chooses and the law will turn a blind eye to it as long as it is done in private. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/77 "2015-07-18T07:20:21Z")
> [@JVDaly](#): > > 3rd wave feminism is held in contempt by so many (including a lot of women) for three reasons: > > 1). It relies on a lot of shit awful arguments. The wage gap myth has been debunked. The claim that 1 in 5 women are raped on college campuses has been debunked. The claim that we live in a “rape culture” (whatever the fuck _that_ is) has been debunked. Even the once unassailable idea that men are “privileged” and lead easier lives than women has clashed with observable reality and lost. > > 2). It focuses its energy on bullshit: “Manspreading” (I’ll close my legs when you put your fucking handbag _under_ the seat!), “Mansplaining” (because, of course, women _never_ talk down to men :rolleyes:), rape jokes (but not murder jokes, cancer jokes, holocaust jokes, pedophilia jokes etc…), trigger warnings (toughen up!) and so on… > > 3). Their standards are applied inconsistently, especially when it comes to the sins of white men vs men of colour. If a white man suggests that women should dress a little more conservatively so as to avoid attracting the attentions of murderous, psychopathic rapists, he’ll be pilloried from here to the fucking moon. But millions of women the world over are forced, either directly or indirectly, even in Western countries like the U.S. and the U.K., to wear shit like the niqab, a garment which _explicitly equates piety with the total invisibility of women_ and the response is…_crickets._. > > So yeah, anti-feminism, at least as it pertains to this modern incarnation of feminism is actually a pretty tenable position. I can’t really argue with anything you’ve said. I will add this: breast cancer is the worst kind of cancer because… brain cancer is so much fun? ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/78 "2015-07-18T07:45:44Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Look, I’ll agree that the vast preponderance of feminist writings are nonsensical, but you really have not helped your cause with the OP. > > I don’t think any right thinking person has an issue with many of the things you write against, except a few… women getting easier treatment in the criminal courts for the same offence for instance. The point I’m trying to make is that feminism is not about equality: it’s about privilege. And that feminism is not _against_ patriarchy: it’s pro-patriarchy, whenever it serves its purposes. It’s about freedom without accountability, with healthy dose of male-bashing thrown in. Case in point: not enough women in stem fields. (There are also not enough women in logging, construction, mining, fishing, and other dangerous low-paid low-glamour jobs - but forget about that.) It can’t be that women just don’t like STEM fields (which is perfectly rational to me: I don’t like them either). There must be some other culprit… patriarchy. Patriarchy is somehow invisibly controlling them to keep them out of science and math. (But not, presumably, out of construction, sanitation, or mining… because those fields suck. Despite the fact society would grind to a halt without them.) The weird thing that going on here is that feminists is not respecting women’s choices. They’re objectifying women: turning them into objects that are acted upon, rather than subjects who make their own decisions based on their own priorities and interests. They don’t like the outcome, so they find something or someone (men) to blame for _choices women are making._ ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/79 "2015-07-18T08:09:09Z")
Honestly, I read the OP twice, and it’s a confusing mess to me. I basically get that you think that feminism is bad. That women are the weaker gender. And, I think, that we want our cake and to eat it too, as the saying goes. Saying that feminism is bad is like saying Christianity or Islam is bad. It’s a large, ever-changing, dynamic organism, made up of many groups, none of whom are exactly the same. You’re tarring it for the actions of a minority or subsection. As, I believe, **Iyandii** indicated up thread, at its heart feminism is about equality. For all genders. I’m not sure why the relative strength of women enters into your argument. I would just say that if a woman wants to mine coal, she ought to be able to, if she can pass the physical tests needed. By the same token, if a man wants to be a, well, I struggle for an occupation a man can’t have, er , be a secretary, then I support that too. I think you wrapped with women want everything. They want to choose whether to work or not. How to address this part… Here’s the thing. My impulse is to tell you that any rational adult wants that choice. If I won the lottery tomorrow, providing it was sufficient size to see me to retirement, I would certainly hand in my resignation. I bet most adults would, men and women. But I don’t expect anyone to take care of me. And looking around me I really don’t see many single income families, except at the executive level of business. I think that single income families are trending downwards, at least in the US. Overall, feminism has been such a positive force for change, and there’s still so much work to do that’s it hard for me to get worked up about whether people don’t like the recent societal focus sexual assault and rape, which I think was also pulled in to the OP. I’ve started teaching my 11 year old daughter (actually started years ago) about where it’s safe to walk, and not to go next to vans in parking lots, not to talk to men about puppies, and all of that great stuff we get to inoculate our daughters with. So as far as that little corner of the OP goes, get over it. I can only hope this increased discussion and focus helps make the world a safer place. To answer your question about what I think about your premise - not sure I understood it, but I consider myself a feminist. Apparently we disagree. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390/80 "2015-07-18T10:52:43Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > I can’t really argue with anything you’ve said. I will add this: breast cancer is the worst kind of cancer because… brain cancer is so much fun? Breast cancer is the cancer that is most likely to cause you to lose a parent while you are young. Do you think it’s a conspiracy that a very common (12% of women), fairly deadly cancer that often hits adults in their prime is pretty scary for people? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-feminism/725390.md?page=5)