# Anti-gay Christians are merely bigots **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 10, 2015, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810 "2015-07-10T22:26:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/181 "2015-07-15T14:21:27Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Aren’t we? Isn’t that what he says? No, I think you know perfectly well what he means - getting clever over the wording is a bit schoolboyish, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/182 "2015-07-15T14:40:47Z")
> [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](#): > > No, I think you know perfectly well what he means - getting clever over the wording is a bit schoolboyish, don’t you think? In the absence of him defending his point and instead resorting to using loaded terms, then it’s all in fun. Were he engaged in an actual exchange then I’m sure we would all be a tad bit more serious. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/183 "2015-07-15T16:26:03Z")
> [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](#): > > No, I think you know perfectly well what he means - getting clever over the wording is a bit schoolboyish, don’t you think? Being schoolboyish about is bringing the level of debate up from where he started it. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/184 "2015-07-15T17:13:35Z")
> [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](#): > > No, I think you know perfectly well what he means - getting clever over the wording is a bit schoolboyish, don’t you think? Actually, I am unclear on what he meant by ‘gay bashes’. Don’t think he meant ‘attacks for being gay’ - despite the obvious schoolboy humour of this. Don’t think ‘gay bashes’ seems to mean ‘responses to something negative I said about homosexuality’, just doesn’t fit semantically. Don’t want to assume ‘gay bashes’ means ‘aggressive responses from gay people who disagree with me’, because I don’t want to conclude that the stupid assumption is in play that only gay people would disagree. So I don’t know what he means. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/185 "2015-07-16T02:42:10Z")
??? No one has addressed the elephant in the room: Are anti-christion gays merely bigots??? ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/186 "2015-07-16T02:43:27Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > ??? No one has addressed the elephant in the room: Are anti-christion gays merely bigots??? yes ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/187 "2015-07-16T02:43:42Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > ??? No one has addressed the elephant in the room: Are anti-christion gays merely bigots??? Your elephant looks a lot more like a timid mouse shivering in the corner. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/188 "2015-07-16T03:38:14Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Your elephant looks a lot more like a timid mouse shivering in the corner. Only insofar as the question was answered in the affirmative back on the first page. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/189 "2015-07-16T03:51:59Z")
> [@Pinmin](#): > > Plenty of strawman for my cornfields. It’s not fear, it’s not hate. A religious Christian should love all regardless. That doesn’t mean they have to agree that everything that person does is good and right. And disagreement is not hate. This whole “love the sinner, hate the sin” is just a bunch of bullshit. The [result](http://redeeminggod.com/love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin/) is still the same. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/190 "2015-07-16T05:24:42Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > ??? No one has addressed the elephant in the room: Are anti-christion gays merely bigots??? And leave us straight anti-christians alone? Isn’t that bigotry? Actually, I’m not anti-christian and some of my best friends are Christian :😉 so I couldn’t be prejudiced. 😃 More seriously, I just believe that following a religion does not give you a get-out-of-jail-for-free card. I have problems when people trod out the religion card to attempt to prevent others from enjoying a right which does not harm them at all, such as SSM. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/191 "2015-07-16T16:23:35Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/192 "2015-07-16T16:24:39Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > ??? No one has addressed the elephant in the room: Are anti-christion gays merely bigots??? We don’t hate Christians. We love Christians. We just think the Christian lifestyle is an abomination. ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/193 "2015-07-16T18:11:50Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > ??? No one has addressed the elephant in the room: Are anti-christion gays merely bigots??? > [@raindog](#): > > yes Nope, because the question is meaningless. A better question would be: Is it wrong for gay people to be pro-survival in an apparent sea of homophobia? That question pretty much answers itself. But some may need a hint. The answer is not “yes”! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/194 "2015-07-16T20:22:43Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > ??? No one has addressed the elephant in the room: Are anti-christion gays merely bigots??? > [@tomndebb](#): > > Your elephant looks a lot more like a timid mouse shivering in the corner. > [@Miller](#): > > Only insofar as the question was answered in the affirmative back on the first page. Psssssst. Re-read **Melbourne** ’s post. Maybe **tom~** should, too. I can’t quite tell. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/195 "2015-07-16T20:24:53Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Psssssst. Re-read **Melbourne** ’s post. > > Maybe **tom~** should, too. I can’t quite tell. Whoops! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/196 "2015-07-16T21:03:23Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > ??? No one has addressed the elephant in the room: Are anti-christion gays merely bigots??? It depends. Are the Christ-ions positive or negative? ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/197 "2015-07-16T21:19:46Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > It depends. Are the Christ-ions positive or negative? I would say most are positive, at least according to the “+” signs they wear. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/198 "2015-07-16T21:25:57Z")
Late to the discussion but I want to thank the OP for specifying “anti-gay” Christians and otherwise not implying that all Christians are homophobic. I recently spent some time as a deputy at the General Convention of the Episcopal Church on the Social Justice and U.S. Policy committee where we produced a number of resolutions supporting the rights of LGBT people inside and outside the church. And then as a Convention we amended our canons and implemented new trial liturgies to accommodate same-sex marriage in the Church. ---
**Author:** ![TennisMenace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@TennisMenace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TennisMenace)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/199 "2015-07-16T21:34:26Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Jesus also said to “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” > > Why don’t they just pay attention to that and let god worry about the gays, if he has a problem with them. You bring up a good point here, if I may, I would like to add to it. I am a born again Christian, so let me get that out of the way. I am convinced the Bible calls homosexuality a sin, just as fornication and adultery are. So, what does this mean to me and you? Well, to me, it means if I truly believe and follow Jesus and the words of the Holy Bible, I try not to partake in any sin, such as homosexuality or fornication or adultery. I also believe this applies to EVERY person who holds them self out as a believer and follower of Christ. I believe it is my duty according to scripture (let me know if you want the cite) to reprove, correct, and admonish my fellow brother or sister who may be wayward in these matters. Now, I do not believe it is my standing to admonish someone who is NOT a believer in Christ. They have not put themselves under the authority of the Scriptures as I have, so why would I use a book that means nothing to someone for the purpose of showing them right from wrong? That is absurd. Obviously, if someone asks me, “What does the Bible say about so forth?” I would tell them because they asked. But you are right, I do not believe it is a Christian’s role to “judge or condemn” non believers regarding sin from the Holy Bible. On the other hand, a Christian should not be criticized for not supporting legislation that promotes “sin” according to their belief system. Doesn’t this make sense? In conclusion, I respect a non believers right to believe as they see fit according to what they believe is right or wrong. My question is simply this though - does a non believer allow for me, and other believers, that same respect, or will we be subject to ridicule and mockery just because our beliefs are “archaic, different, or irrelevant” to them? So what do you think? Do we have common ground here? TM ---
**Author:** ![TennisMenace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@TennisMenace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TennisMenace)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810/200 "2015-07-16T21:39:54Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > We don’t hate Christians. We love Christians. We just think the Christian lifestyle is an abomination. Thanks for the love. 😛 I agree, the Christian lifestyle is not meant for all. Like many things in life, it is a choice. Some follow it, most don’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gay-christians-are-merely-bigots/724810.md?page=11)