# Anti-gun Democrat uses gun inappropriately **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 11, 2015, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803 "2015-05-11T19:29:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/41 "2015-05-12T17:46:38Z")
I recognize that the incident didn’t “happen to him.” He made a **choice** to pick up a gun of some kind and shoot up the ex-gf’s car. I don’t choose to do such things, even though I’ve owned guns for over forty years and been employed in jobs where I was armed. I recognize that I make my own decisions and you make your own. You _do_ make your own decisions, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/42 "2015-05-12T18:22:43Z")
I’m glad you two don’t have firearms _and_ live in the same town. That’s a Boolean AND there. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/43 "2015-05-12T18:45:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > _Yet_. Many others have thought that way too, right up until they found out otherwise. > > Not so much me, since I choose not to have lethal means of acting. I have to wonder about YOUR self-control, though, and that of many others you see in the news pretty much every day. I recognize that I’m human, and that you are too. Do you? I’ve long suspected that you weren’t allowed around sharp objects, guns or anything that might be considered dangerous. However, I never guessed that the prohibition was self-inflicted. Slee ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/44 "2015-05-12T18:49:28Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I don’t choose to do such things Have you ever been really really pissed? And are you human? ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/45 "2015-05-12T19:06:06Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Have you ever been really really pissed? And are you human? I have been extremely and devastatingly pissed a number of times, including at my husband. Never once did it even cross my mind to get one of my guns and shoot anyone or anything. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/46 "2015-05-12T19:10:13Z")
Okay, if you say so. Did you know how you would react beforehand? And how could anyone else have known how you’d react? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/47 "2015-05-12T19:40:24Z")
You ask a lot of questions you seem to think are insightful. How about you illustrate your point with examples from yor personal life that will show all of us how dangerously unstable and untrustworthy you are? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/48 "2015-05-12T19:45:58Z")
The question you’re avoiding is: How can anyone else be sure they can trust \*you \*with a gun? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/49 "2015-05-12T20:20:22Z")
How can anyone be sure another person can be trusted at all? The question you keep avoiding is why your lack of self-control should result in my restriction. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/50 "2015-05-12T20:37:09Z")
Because, as you’ve just now admitted, there is no way for anyone to be sure you can be trusted with one. Is this a difficult concept? ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/51 "2015-05-12T20:45:07Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Because, as you’ve just now admitted, there is no way for anyone to be sure you can be trusted with one. > > Is this a difficult concept? By your reasoning, how can anyone be trusted around anyone else, with anything? With a gun? With a knife? With a baseball bat? with a frying pan? ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/52 "2015-05-12T20:45:23Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Because, as you’ve just now admitted, there is no way for anyone to be sure you can be trusted with one. The only sure things are death and taxes. To suggest that firearms ownership should be eliminated because no given individual can be _absolutely_ trusted with one is an absurdly extremist position. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/53 "2015-05-12T20:46:24Z")
Good thing nobody is asserting that, then. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/54 "2015-05-12T20:53:16Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I recognize that the incident didn’t “happen to him.” He made a **choice** to pick up a gun of some kind and shoot up the ex-gf’s car. . . . It sounds like the first bad choice was opening his front door. At the arraignment - “According to police, 10 shots hit the woman’s car and a rifle, a .22-caliber rifle cleaning kit, three magazines with live rounds and one empty one, were later recovered from the home.” His lawyer is stating that the ex was the aggressor. I think I’m a little disappointed with finding it was a .22. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/55 "2015-05-12T21:01:41Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Good thing nobody is asserting that, then. **Scumpup** wrote > [@Scumpup](#): > > The question you keep avoiding is why your lack of self-control should result in my restriction. And you responded: > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Because, as you’ve just now admitted, there is no way for anyone to be sure you can be trusted with one. You said, right there, that there is no way to be sure he can be trusted with a gun, and therefore he should be restricted from owning one. Or were you thinking of some other meaning of the word “restriction,” like maybe he should only be allowed to own a gun on alternate Tuesdays? ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/56 "2015-05-12T21:15:14Z")
**[The Truth About Guns](http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/05/robert-farago/irresponsible-gun-owner-of-the-day-michigan-state-sen-virgil-smith/)**, another anti-Democrat, Pro-gun site has a similar take, and the comments are insightful and thought-provoking. Particularly the first, from **stateisevil** \* which leaves one in no doubt where he is coming from: _I’ve often thought about researching some of the backgrounds of Democrat senators in my state, Florida. Some of them were elected by some of the most feral and ignorant people on the planet and are all rabidly anti gun rights. One black female senator can barely speak, Arthenia Joyner (guess if she’s black or white)._ * * * However he did not strip naked in order to shoot her car, he was already naked when she caught him. There is a difference. - Dunno which state. State of being ? State of Florida ? U.S. State of the Union ? State of the Art ? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/57 "2015-05-12T21:26:56Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Because, as you’ve just now admitted, there is no way for anyone to be sure you can be trusted with one. > > Is this a difficult concept? Have you ever raped and strangled a toddler? If not, why not? ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/58 "2015-05-13T15:12:32Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Do we have any evidence this state senator is anti-gun except that he’s a Democrat? I found the [original article](http://bearingarms.com/anti-gun-democrat-lawmaker-blasts-girlfriends-car-shotgun/) that calls him “anti-gun.” Here is the relevant bit: > [@](#): > > Smith has voted anti-gun since taking office in the House of Representatives back in 2003 to 2008, and now as a state senator. > > The NRA rated Smith “D” regarding his voting on gun rights, which translates to 21% overall. > > He voted “nay” on SB 59 bill that: “Expands Areas Where Concealed Weapons are Authorized,” and voted “nay” on SB 789 that “Amends Firearm Licensing Procedures,” that makes obtaining a license easier but with more training He’s not going door-to-door taking guns away, but it seems fair to characterize him as an opponent of gun rights. One who keeps an assault rifle and spare clips of ammo, apparently within easy reach. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/59 "2015-05-13T15:28:46Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > He’s not going door-to-door taking guns away, but it seems fair to characterize him as an opponent of gun rights. One who keeps an assault rifle and spare clips of ammo, apparently within easy reach. Perhaps he wants to be the only guy carrying. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803/60 "2015-05-13T16:41:14Z")
Maybe he stripped naked because he didn’t want to be accused of concealed carry. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-gun-democrat-uses-gun-inappropriately/719803.md?page=4)