# Anti Muslim email **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 1, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108 "2011-03-01T21:49:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108/1 "2011-03-01T21:49:42Z")
I hate these sorts of emails and am looking to reply to the person who sent it to me. I am assuming that there is a version for America the UK etc and folks just whack in whatever country they don’t want Muslims to be a part of (ie > [@](#): > > we declare 'one nation under God, is not an aussie thing). I am wondering how many factual error there are in this piece (aside from the whole > [@](#): > > allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians which I can personally attest is not always true) > [@](#): > > CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD Australians? This is certainly ‘food-for-thought’. > > This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our Australian Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. > > Can a good Muslim be a good Australian? > > This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. > > The following is his reply: > > Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia . > > Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam . (Quran, 2:256)(Koran) > > Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran. > > Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day. > > Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews . > > Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America (the great Satan) Australia and the rest of the free world. > > Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 ) > > Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the Australian Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. > > Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. > > Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare ‘one nation under God,’ The Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran’s 99 excellent names. > > Therefore, after much study and deliberation… Perhaps we should be very suspicious of all Muslims in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and good Australians. Call it what you wish it’s still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. > > The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.. … I apologise if I am not making much sense this morning as I am suffering a sleep deficit ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108/2 "2011-03-02T13:46:13Z")
They forgot > [@](#): > > Legaly -No…becuse the only law a muslim can heed is sharia law ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108/3 "2011-03-02T13:49:14Z")
And “competitively - no,” because they stubbornly refuse to participate in all-you-can-eat pork ribs contests. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108/4 "2011-03-02T14:15:03Z")
They sure do have a lot of allegiances. Seems like they could squeeze in a few more to the local country, government, etc, without even noticing. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108/5 "2011-03-02T14:18:06Z")
You could make a similar email about Catholics and their allegiance to the Pope. Obviously (I hope) it would be just as asinine. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108/6 "2011-03-02T14:24:16Z")
I’m pretty sure the “moon god” thing is a lie. “Allah” just means “the [sole deity] God”. Wikipedia saith: > [@](#): > > It is also used by Arabic speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Mizrahi Jews, Bahá’ís, Eastern Orthodox Christians and Eastern Catholic Christians, in reference to God. I’m not sure why the theological/religious/scriptural points are even relevant, unless “Australian” is now a religion. And all religions tend to start from the point of “we’re right and everyone else is wrong” so picking on Islam for this is just stupid. Likewise, “Geographically” is stupid unless True Australians are supposed to pray to Uluru or the Sydney Opera House or something like that. “Socially” is just flat out wrong, as is “Politically”. They’re confusing the way Muslims act in theocratic countries such as Iran or Saudi Arabia with the way they act in other cultures, and the reason they act that way in those countries is BECAUSE of the cultures. You’d have a better argument saying that Catholics have allegiance to the Pope ahead of their country, and most non-insane people gave up on that one a long time ago. “Domestically”…I’m pretty sure most Muslims don’t have four wives, nor are they required to. And for advice on how women should be treated the Bible isn’t exactly Miss Manners either. “Intellectually”…I don’t know enough about the Australian Constitution to know what specifically “Biblical principles” it’s based on, but I’m guessing based on the “one nation under God” thing later on this is a C&P from the usual horsepuckey about the US Constitution. And it has nothing to do with intellectual ability anyway. “Philosophically”…wrong again. Democracies exist in predominantly Muslim countries. Some of them are more dubious than others (Pakistan vs Turkey or Indonesia, say) but they exist. “Spiritually”…I don’t even know how to respond to this one. It’s a series of non sequiturs and what tenuous argument I can parse is like arguing that “Islam” = “I slam” and therefore “see - they’re all about violence!”. Never mind that one of the aforementioned Five Pillars is about charity or that Jesus is considered an important figure in Islam. In short, this is someone viewing a strawman from a long long way away and claiming that it’s the vanguard of an invading army. The amount of ignorance displayed is staggering. (And “legally” - not true either.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108/7 "2011-03-02T14:25:37Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > And “competitively - no,” because they stubbornly refuse to participate in all-you-can-eat pork ribs contests. On the other hand, that right there is a sign of damnation. And their punishment is never to know the joy that is bacon. ---
**Author:** ![Baracus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@Baracus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baracus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108/8 "2011-03-02T14:38:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America (the great Satan) Australia and the rest of the free world. Maybe they just don’t show them in the U.S., but do see a lot of mobs of Muslims burning Australian flags on TV in Australia? ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108/9 "2011-03-02T14:44:36Z")
I’m reasonably familiar with the Australian Constitution, and I don’t know what “Biblical principles” it was based on. The main sources were: (1) the Westminster system of parliamentary government, and (2) the United States style of federal government. The only significant part relating to religion is section 116: > [@](#): > > 1. The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth. That doesn’t sound like a “Biblical principle”. ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-muslim-email/573108/10 "2011-03-02T15:01:06Z")
Oh and one more they forgot Racially-No,…because they have brownish skins