# Anti-Semitism and the accusations agains Representative Ilhan Omar. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 5, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568 "2019-03-05T12:57:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/341 "2019-04-08T21:40:36Z")
> [@Modesty\_Blaise](#): > > This weekend: > > [https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/trump-republican-jewish-coalition-netanyahu-your-prime-minister.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/trump-republican-jewish-coalition-netanyahu-your-prime-minister.html) > > How many of the conservatives who blew a gasket over Omar’s comments will say _anything_ about this? The stupid. It hurts. Apparently trump can do _anything_ at all and get away with it. “dey goggles, dey do nuttink” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/342 "2019-04-09T04:43:35Z")
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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/343 "2019-04-09T11:30:17Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > The messed-up thing is that Rep. Omar did not accuse American Jews as a group of having dual loyalty. Her target was only Senate Republicans. Here we have Trump not only implying that American Jews have dual loyalty, but he is also implying they have singular loyalty. > > His statement is much worse. The Dems and Republicans who crapped their pants over what Rep. Omar said should be having a fit now, but no. He gets yet another mulligan because we’re all relieved he didn’t slip up and call anyone a “money-grubbing hebe”. > > I look forward to the day when there are no more blatantly unfair double standards like this in government. The problem is Trump has been so blatantly antisemitic for so long that it just doesn’t surprise people anymore. And conservatives then wrap themselves in the cloak of “but his grandkids are Jewish, he can’t be an antisemite” which is bullshit and ignores how antisemitism works. This though circles back to my feeling that essentially all gentiles are a little antisemitic. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/344 "2019-04-09T11:47:53Z")
Trump has clearly and publicly said, unapologetically, many more anti-semitic things than Omar, with no challenge at all from Republicans in congress and the senate. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/345 "2019-04-09T12:14:09Z")
It just keeps getting better. > Now Omar Ilhan is antisemitic for… calling Stephen Miller a white nationalist. I wonder - are Stephen Miller’s childhood rabbi and uncle both antisemites as well? Jesus fucking christ this is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/346 "2019-04-10T08:36:35Z")
> [@Modesty\_Blaise](#): > > This weekend: > > [https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/trump-republican-jewish-coalition-netanyahu-your-prime-minister.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/trump-republican-jewish-coalition-netanyahu-your-prime-minister.html) > > How many of the conservatives who blew a gasket over Omar’s comments will say _anything_ about this? Honestly? I felt like puking when I heard that. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/347 "2019-04-10T11:01:08Z")
Honestly? I feel like puking knowing that Israel’s population seems poised to re-elect a Zionist tyrant who proudly proclaims that Israel is a Jewish nation (only). This was Zionism’s ultimate end, so it’s hardly surprising. But of course we can’t talk about reality without being labeled anti-Jewish. America’s the land of free speech, unless one is speaking about Zionism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/348 "2019-04-11T13:19:49Z")
The NY Post appears to be trying to fan the flames of hatred against Omar: [https://twitter.com/harrysiegel/status/1116313105884172289](https://twitter.com/harrysiegel/status/1116313105884172289) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/349 "2019-04-11T13:58:58Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Honestly? I feel like puking knowing that Israel’s population seems poised to re-elect a Zionist tyrant who proudly proclaims that Israel is a Jewish nation (only). This was Zionism’s ultimate end, so it’s hardly surprising. But of course we can’t talk about reality without being labeled anti-Jewish. America’s the land of free speech, unless one is speaking about Zionism. So, I feel the same way about the election as you do and yet this post pissed me off and I’m trying to figure out why. I think it’s the use of the word Zionist. For so long Zionist has been used as a slur to tar the Jewish people as a whole. Going back to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion hoax. It has a lot of ugly baggage when used the way you use it. And this is tricky because I consider myself a Zionist, but I suspect we are on the same side of almost (but not quite) every issue having to do with Israel. Israel is the only reason a lot of my family is alive right now. The existence of Zionism in the 1920s gave my grandfather’s older brother and mother a place to flee to that would not turn them back. My Grandfather got turned back because his father tried to come to America with him instead. They ended up in Dachau. I believe that having a physical nation for the Jewish people is a good thing. I believe that there needs to be one. The western world is too wrapped up in Christianity to be able to navigate the tangle of interweaving cultural and religious identities of Judaism. To me, and to all the non right wing nut bags that I know, that’s what Zionism is. It’s Kibbutz, it’s safety, it’s an ability to establish an identity that is understood on the world stage the way it is understood what a German is or what a Turk is or what an Egyptian is. My father, the child of that Holocaust survivor is literally shopping for homes in Spain right now because he no longer feels safe in America. Sadly he does not feel that Israel is where he could be safe either. I don’t blame him. I feel like the right has, possibly irreparably, broken the ideal of Israel that could be. So when you say Zionist as though it is synonymous with genocidal bigot, that hurts, because it says to me that the only way that I am allowed to have an identity in your eyes is to take away someone else’s. That you will not allow both to coexist. You say it’s the choice of the Zionists but it feels like the choice is being made for me and it’s not a choice I want. But I don’t get to pick anymore. So, I understand this is off topic. I’m happy to take this elsewhere. But I’m asking that you reconsider some of your rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/350 "2019-04-11T14:03:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The NY Post appears to be trying to fan the flames of hatred against Omar: [https://twitter.com/harrysiegel/status/1116313105884172289](https://twitter.com/harrysiegel/status/1116313105884172289) I really wish she would get a decent publicist and stop speaking off the cuff for about 6 months. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/351 "2019-04-11T14:17:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The NY Post appears to be trying to fan the flames of hatred against Omar: [https://twitter.com/harrysiegel/status/1116313105884172289](https://twitter.com/harrysiegel/status/1116313105884172289) Another Murdoch rag. No cause for surprise, or even outrage at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/352 "2019-04-11T14:53:38Z")
Speaking of which: [Fox News host questions Ilhan Omar’s loyalty: ‘Have to wonder if she’s an American first’](https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/fox-news-host-ilhan-omar-loyalty-american-first) Isn’t that what she got pilloried for antisemitism over? Accusing people of not being loyal to America first? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/353 "2019-04-11T15:15:37Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Speaking of which: [Fox News host questions Ilhan Omar’s loyalty: ‘Have to wonder if she’s an American first’](https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/fox-news-host-ilhan-omar-loyalty-american-first) > > Isn’t that what she got pilloried for antisemitism over? Accusing people of not being loyal to America first? Yes, but our world is sad and we just accept that Fox News is anti Islam. We live in the darkest time-line. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/354 "2019-04-11T15:18:59Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Speaking of which: [Fox News host questions Ilhan Omar’s loyalty: ‘Have to wonder if she’s an American first’](https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/fox-news-host-ilhan-omar-loyalty-american-first) > > Isn’t that what she got pilloried for antisemitism over? Accusing people of not being loyal to America first? Remember when the president implied that a judge couldn’t be impartial due to him being “Mexican”, even though he was born and raised in the States? The Right was silent then too. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/355 "2019-04-11T18:24:33Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I really wish she would get a decent publicist and stop speaking off the cuff for about 6 months. She and AOC are smart but not wise. They havent yet realized how to not shoot their mouth off in public off the cuff. Hopefully they will figure this out. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/356 "2019-04-11T18:59:49Z")
I don’t even see this latest supposed outrage as anything but estremely silly nonsense. Just about any human event can be described accurately with the words Omar used, and I see no reason to believe she had any intention to minimize the tragedy of 9/11. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/357 "2019-04-11T19:02:22Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I really wish she would get a decent publicist and stop speaking off the cuff for about 6 months. …its a shame that in the face of lies, misinformation and propaganda that clearly puts Representative Ilhan Omar in the crosshairs, you choose to blame her for “speaking off the cuff” instead of the paper that published this complete and utter filth. If it wasn’t crystal clear at the start of this thread that \*anything \*that Ilhan says would be twisted and distorted: then that should be crystal clear now. If faced with the option of “being silenced” or being allowed to say what she thinks: I’m in favour of letting her say what she thinks. Because to argue otherwise is to hand victory to a group of people determined to control the narrative. And we can’t afford to do that right now. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/358 "2019-04-11T19:31:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t even see this latest supposed outrage as anything but estremely silly nonsense. Just about any human event can be described accurately with the words Omar used, and I see no reason to believe she had any intention to minimize the tragedy of 9/11. I agree. I’m not a fan of hers, but this is clearly an attack on her based on her ethnicity, plain and simple. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/359 "2019-04-11T19:37:59Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …its a shame that in the face of lies, misinformation and propaganda that clearly puts Representative Ilhan Omar in the crosshairs, you choose to blame her for “speaking off the cuff” instead of the paper that published this complete and utter filth. If it wasn’t crystal clear at the start of this thread that \*anything \*that Ilhan says would be twisted and distorted: then that should be crystal clear now. If faced with the option of “being silenced” or being allowed to say what she thinks: I’m in favour of letting her say what she thinks. Because to argue otherwise is to hand victory to a group of people determined to control the narrative. And we can’t afford to do that right now. Yeah sure. But when you know that the other side is going to twist everything you say why give them ammo? This was avoidable. The Post is a rag. Fox News are assholes. But we aren’t going to change that and they DO have power because they are the state propoganda machine now. Why make their life easier? It’s politics. Play the game a little. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568/360 "2019-04-11T19:59:23Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Yeah sure. But when you know that the other side is going to twist everything you say why give them ammo? This was avoidable. The Post is a rag. Fox News are assholes. But we aren’t going to change that and they DO have power because they are the state propoganda machine now. Why make their life easier? …by choosing not to condemn the NY Post, even when called out on it, you make their life easier for the likes of the Fox news and the Post. This wasn’t “avoidable.” This was inevitable. Because there are too many people like you who stand on the sidelines and shrug your shoulders in the face of incredible bigotry. > [@](#): > > It’s politics. Play the game a little. It isn’t “politics.” Its hate. Its evil. That you can’t recognize this is the problem. There should be zero tolerance for this utter drivel posted by the Post. But you are like just “meh.” It isn’t a fucking game. 50 Muslims lost their lives here last month because people are treating this like a fucking game. Get off the sidelines and choose a side. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-semitism-and-the-accusations-agains-representative-ilhan-omar/830568.md?page=19)