Your own words:* Desperate, impoverished people, most of whom in this case have literally no options at having a decent and prosperous life for themselves and their families, sometimes do desperate things. This has been a characteristic of desperate humans for all of history. The Palestinians are humans – as long as they’re truly desperate, they’re going to do the kinds of things desperate humans do. This will only change when they are no longer in desperate circumstances with virtually no chance at a decent life.*
**That was justifying terrorism. **
However, i take back the part about calling Israel “evil and wrong” , I mixed you up with another poster. * Mea culpa.*
Not it wasn’t, not in the least. Which specific sentence of that paragraph do you disagree with? That Palestinians are human? That most of them don’t have any decent chance at a decent life for themselves and their families? That desperate people sometimes do desperate things? Which part do you think is false?
The “desperate actions” I’m referring to aren’t terrorism, which you’d realize if you read my posts carefully. Most Palestinians haven’t committed any terrorist acts.
Thank you. It’s entirely possible to have a nuanced position on this subject.
“There’s something in this box that I believe backs up what I’m saying. It’s up to you to rummage through the box, find the object in question, and show why you think it doesn’t work. After you’ve done that, I’ll let you know if you picked the right object from the box.”
Going back to the original subject of the thread, it is clear that Ilhan Omar’s “crime” is in daring to assert herself as a foreign-born American, as a woman, as a woman of color, as a woman of color openly practicing a faith that has been vilified since 9/11 and even before.
Similar insults were actually tossed in Barack Obama’s direction when he was running for office and when he was president. Because he actually was a Christian and not a Muslim, because he was born in the United States and not Somalia, he understood the potential verbal landmines better than Omar and knew how not to step on them. I expected someone like Omar to be vilified by the racist right wing, but it’s disheartening to see that she’s being abandoned by people who really ought to know better and who ought to use their bullshit detectors to see this shit for what it really is.
Make no mistake about it: this is a pre-game warmup by the conservatives for racial violence. This is America’s white christian nationalist tribe stoking the fires of racial animus, tailgating outside the coliseum before the gladiatorial combat begins.
Well, true, this “part-ownership in Kuwait” idea was only ever in your head.
Still, there were a tremendous number of Palestinians working in Kuwait and sending money home to their families. They should have known what side their bread was buttered on and supported Kuwait, knowing that this would likely benefit them more than cheering Saddam’s ability to lob, at Kuwait’s expense, a few Scuds at Tel Aviv. Your suggestion goes a bit further than reality offered, but they still blew the chance to better their situation by supporting Kuwait in the war.
Sure, add in Israel if you like. It doesnt change the fact the Palestine is not all that “Desperate and impoverished”. It’s about in the middle of all nations. Things could get better, no doubt. You are free to list all the bad things in Palestine you want to, but that doesnt change the fact that it is in about the middle of all nations, there’s about a hundred nations worse off and few have resorted to constant terrorist attacks.
The point is things in Palestine are not so Desperate and impoverished that terrorism is their only solution. In fact, terrorism is never your only solution. It only makes things worse.
But of course to Hamas, Israel has no right to exist and the only good Jew is a dead Jew, so terrorism is just fine.
It really is. The right is coming after her, and the Dems can either stand with her and scare them away, or they can mumble meaningless sentiments and think she asked for it by saying all those (not especially) awful things.
They can pick people off one by one like that; it’s important that the Dems put a stop to it NOW.
Given the events of the past year or two, the only thing I question is whether there’s anything ‘pre’ about it. We’re already looking at how it operates: people will take seriously the bullshit that Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh spew, and every now and then one of them will think he’s doing his patriotic duty by grabbing his gun and shooting as many of The Other as he can shoot before he is brought down.
You provided a cite that says people have to walk 2.5 miles every day to get water. That 90 percent of the water in their aquifer is unfit for domestic use. Your cite literally says “The situation isn’t helped by **desperate **Gazans trying to tap into the underground reserve via homemade wells.”
Desperate and impoverished is an entirely fair characterization and its bizarre that you are still pretending that it is not. Yes: by some metrics there are people that are more desperate and impoverished. But that is completely irrelevant.
This is 100% obvious from the POV of 2019, when we’ve had nearly three decades to come to take for granted the level of combat excellence that the U.S. military has attained. But that was still in the future even during Desert Shield, when it had been only 15 years since the U.S. military had been chased out of Vietnam; Desert Storm was really its coming-out party on the world stage.
If you’re a Palestinian working in [del]Kuwait[/del] Iraq’s 19th province during Desert Shield, how would you have known that it was going to be Kuwait again in a matter of months?
Sure, there are parts of Palestine which are pretty bad. There are parts of America that are pretty bad too. That doesnt change the fact that overall, Palestine isnt that bad off.
The only evidence you have provided that “Palestine isnt that bad off” are links to literal propaganda and a comparison to places that by some metrics are a little bit worse.
But we aren’t talking about “some parts of Palestine” and we aren’t talking about whether or not some parts are “pretty bad.”
Your claim is that "Palestine is not all that “Desperate and impoverished”.
I think that is an incorrect claim based on the evidence you have cited. I think its an incorrect claim based on everything that we know.
Can you explain to me how “desperate and impoverished” are unfair characterizations?
…can we finally accept that Ilhan Omar is going to be the subject of narrative re-framing, lies and propaganda no matter what it is that she says? That even hiring a PR firm would not have saved her here.
