None of the above, mate. I can tell you have drunk the Kool-Aid and know very little about Israel/Palestine and the Zionist interests that perpetuate the barbarity over there. You’re not going to Holocaust guilt me.
You can stop talking now, mate. You’ve made your position abundantly clear.
Barbarity? Do you consider suicide bombers to be barbaric?
Suicide bombers? Where, and when? How does that compare to the number of people Israel has killed? Or starved?
You don’t know a god damn thing about what goes on over there other than what you watch on Fux News.
Americans are fucking retarded when it comes to having any kind of knowledge about life outside their own country, and Israel is a prime example.
“Oh but Saddam Hussein is a sponsor of Al Qaida”
“Iran is a sponsor of ISIS.”
Maybe get out some maps, read some basic Wikipedia, and learn a few things before automatically taking the AIPAC rubber stamp position on everything.
p.s. The Christian wack nuts aren’t the friends of Zionists. They will betray them once they are done using them. Just figured I’d point that out.
Pretty much all Jews are aware of this. We have, in fact, done this a time or two.
About 1,350 people in Israel (some of whom were palestinians) have been killed by terror attacks just this century.
No, but he sponsored terrorism and used nerve gas on his own people.
Iran backs Hezbollah, Hamas, the Taliban and al-Qaeda, all known terrorist groups (Hezbollah not as much as the others). Iran is actually foes of ISIL.
But you take out the PLO stamp on everything.
They will betray them once they are done using them? Are you saying the apocalyptic prophecies are actually going to happen?
I don’t know if you know the connotations of the term “holocaust guilt” in far-right circles, but uh… Fucking yikes, dude? What the fuck?
If you’re right, then it’s hopeless and not worth discussing. If you’re wrong, then maybe we’re capable of learning. I’ll estimate that since we’re humans, we’re probably capable of learning – at least most of us.
But thank you for deigning to share a bit of your wisdom with us hopeless rubes. Even if it’s hopeless, how kind it is of you to show us the light, even for a moment!
The sad part is that this is right out of the racist handbook.
The ironic part is that you think your (generally) liberal positions immunize you from being called out on your racist statements.
The insulting part is that you think anyone is impressed or fooled by your vast Wikipedia knowledge of the subject.
I wasn’t aware that Zionism was a race, but do go on.
I’m not doing this entire thread over again - you can re-read my positions on this thread, as they have been thoroughly explained.
I wasn’t the one who resurrected this thread, either, but the examples of Reps. Omar and Tlaib make it clear that they can’t comment on the history of Palestine without being called anti-semites. And the reality is that nobody can criticize Israel without fear of being labeled an anti-semite.
No, Zionism is the desire of the Jewish people to have a permanent homeland preferably in their historical homeland of Jerusalem and the surrounding areas that made up Judea and Israel back during the second temple period. This desire is largely due to the fact that the Jewish people are regularly rounded up and killed or simply shot with assault rifles in their places of worship when living in other parts of the world.
It has been happening every 60-80 years for a millenia or two.
Your use of Zionist as a slur continues to bug me.
I’m on record as saying that calling Tlaib an anti semite for her recent remarks is bullshit.
That doesn’t mean she isn’t wrong about the history. It just means it’s coming from a place of ignorance not antisemitism.
Here is an article that makes the claim that its actually antisemitic. I disagree with the conclusion and the headline, but the content of the article is valuable anyway.
Is that a fact? Let’s see…
I think Israel has treated Palestinians in the West Bank terribly. Particularly in casese when they have turned a blind eye to the more radical religious zealots who occupy and build settlements on what has been zoned as Palestinian territory. I think Netanyahu is an asshole. I don’t think Israel is the exclusive homeland of Jews and there are displaced Palestinian Arabs who have much more of an immediate ancestral link to Israel than some European and American Jews. I think Christmas beats Hannuka and Easter beats Passover, as holidays go. I think my ‘shiksa’ wife makes a better hummus than Yotam Ottolenghi.
And I can say all that without resorting to anti-semitic tropes like, “AIPAC rubber stampers”, “Zionists!” and “Holocaust guilt!”.
Now you try it.
Criticizing Israel is fraught, just like criticizing African-Americans or Latinos. But there are ways to navigate those minefields without blowing yourself up, and if you misstep, explain yourself.
Yep. Israel is far from blameless. But as long as the other side continues to resort to acts of terrorism, Israel has the moral high ground.
It’s pretty simple- Hamas just has to stop the terrorism. It aint working anyway.
But as long as Hamas continues to be a terrorist and racist organization/ government, they are in the wrong. Period.
Yep. Hamas and similar groups need to be eradicated.