# Anti-smoking Brownshirts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2003, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388 "2003-06-21T07:26:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/21 "2003-06-21T17:23:05Z")
I’m a light smoker myself, and my feelings are much like **wakimika** ’s. I don’t have any beef with open aired stadiums banning smoking. I’ve always felt it incredibly rude to smoke when in such close proximity to many other people. I never smoke in resteraunts either, even when it’s allowed (when I’m out of state of course), because I think it’s just, icky. Can’t really explain it. They allow smoking on the outdoor patios of a few restaunts here and my X used to get really annoyed at me when I wouldn’t let him smoke there. I just felt like such an inconsiderate bitch smoking around all those obviously, non smokers. Same for people that smoke while waiting in lines. That’s VERY obnoxious because the people around you are stuck in those lines, inhaling your smoke. That’s probably why few people actually know that I smoke regularly. I can go quite a bit without having one, since I won’t unless it’s an appropriate time and place. I’ve rambled on so long here, I’ve forgotten my point. Sorry. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/22 "2003-06-21T17:29:17Z")
Smoking is a disgusting habit, IMO and I would love it if some of those smoking bans would float down here to Houston. I doubt it will happen, as the South tends to be one of the places where no one cares what the trends are and everyone is happily absorbed in their own vices. We like it that way… That being said, I hate it when people smoke in bars, particularly on the dance floor. Drunk people weilding tiny torches are dangerous, and not just to my lungs. Cigarette butts all over the ground at the grocery store, or mall really get on my nerves as well. Why is not considered littering to throw those things anywhere you happen to finish them? Don’t get me started on people who smoke in their homes and cars with children and infants. I don’t care if you don’t like or believe what the studies say, inhaling the smoke can’t be GOOD for you. ~J ~~ I do agree that you didn’t have to put out the cigarette at the bar if it was a smoking establishment. I’ve never asked anyone to do such a thing (not saying I haven’t wanted to) but it’s not my choice. If someone is being particularly obnoxious with a cigarette, I simply move.~ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/23 "2003-06-21T17:31:46Z")
Okay, lite: Just explain how TF someone else eating too much fõd’s going to make me fat? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/24 "2003-06-21T17:33:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \* > **Deal with it. Owners of establishments (like stadiums) can make the rules. If you don’t like it, sell your tickets and chainsmoke in the comfort of your own livingroom while watching the game.** This hits the nail you know where. I smoked for a long time (no longer do), and I would put out the Marlboro even in a place that allowed smoking if someone told me it was bothering him. But a place where the owner prohibited it–too bad. If I wanted to smoke, I went somewhere else. Didn’t matter what I wanted. I think it’s that simple. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/25 "2003-06-21T17:34:22Z")
People smoke in the _grocery store_??? ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/26 "2003-06-21T17:36:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jaade \* > \*\*Smoking is a disgusting habit, IMO and I would love it if some of those smoking bans would float down here to Houston. I doubt it will happen, as the South tends to be one of the places where no one cares what the trends are and everyone is happily absorbed in their own vices. We like it that way… \*\* Well, that and the fact that in Houston, exhaled cigarette is the cleanest air available. Speaking of which – we’ve been under the smoking ban in NYC for a couple months now, and I can report that the only thing that smells worse than a smoky bar is a bar without smoke to cover the other smells. I’m gonna make a fortune making smoke-scented air additives and selling them to dive bars as soon as I can figure out how to encapsulate the stuff correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/27 "2003-06-21T17:41:00Z")
Drat. I forgot I had my computer set for Việt typing. “fốd’s” above should read “food.” ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/28 "2003-06-21T17:43:34Z")
> [@](#): > > If it isn’t a non-smoking establishment, take yourself and your precious lungs somewhere else in the place. Tell you what, why don’t you just spray the carbon monoxide, toluene, acetone, ammonia, 2-naphthylamine, 4-aminobiphenyl, arsenic, and benzene on my food with a _plant mister?_ It would be just as effective, and it wouldn’t smell as bad. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/29 "2003-06-21T17:45:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Drat. I forgot I had my computer set for Việt typing. “fốd’s” above should read “food.” \*\* Yeah, I was just about to ask you how you did that! I didn’t know you could get a tilde-“o”–macron-“o”, now that I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_The\_Diver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Buck\_The\_Diver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_The_Diver)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/30 "2003-06-21T18:00:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lite \* > **I own season tickets to Lambeau Field. Last year at the Lion’s game I had a man seated across the aisle. Lambeau went smoke-free last year, even though it’s an OPEN-AIR STADIUM!!! He complained of my smoke and I promptly snuffed it. Then I get pissy.** Perhaps I’m reading this wrong. You were in a smoke-free stadium but you were smoking anyway? Then you got upset about someone complaining? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/31 "2003-06-21T18:15:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*Tell you what, why don’t you just spray the carbon monoxide, toluene, acetone, ammonia, 2-naphthylamine, 4-aminobiphenyl, arsenic, and benzene on my food with a _plant mister?_ It would be just as effective, and it wouldn’t smell as bad. \*\* matt… dear matt. Let me get my mister and perhaps it will make you a skosh less self righteous. I did say if it was NOT a non-smoking establishment. If you want to be in an environment that is non-smoking, go there. If it is an establishment that allows smoking, you are in the wrong to tell or demand someone stop. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/32 "2003-06-21T18:19:01Z")
Duke: I’m using VPSKeys (a free program). It’s not as easy to use as WINVNKey; however, it does work with Word, which WINVNKey doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/33 "2003-06-21T19:05:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by manhattan \* > \*\*Well, that and the fact that in Houston, exhaled cigarette is the cleanest air available. > Speaking of which – we’ve been under the smoking ban in NYC for a couple months now, and I can report that the only thing that smells worse than a smoky bar is a bar without smoke to cover the other smells. I’m gonna make a fortune making smoke-scented air additives and selling them to dive bars as soon as I can figure out how to encapsulate the stuff correctly. \*\* Well, I try to inhale directly from the exhaust pipe of my truck as frequently as possible. It cuts out the middle man. 😉 I can understand that…People seem particularly inclined to make bars the nastiest places possible. Cleaning up at the end of the night usually includes both pushing in the chairs AND throwing away empty bottles! ~J ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/34 "2003-06-21T19:11:11Z")
It’s funny how people hate second hand smoke, but don’t understand that driving to work is just as bad, even worse. When you smoke haters drive through traffic, did you know that all the cars around you are pumping out a gazzillion times the amount of smoke a human could? Have you seen how much smoke comes out of one motor? Your surrounding by hundreds, thousands of cars with your commute to work, and you’re breathing about half air, half exhaust. These are the same people that keep a sqeeky clean house and wonder why their children have allergies. ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/35 "2003-06-21T19:16:35Z")
ParentalAdvisory, And??? Sorry to be blunt, but this thread IS about smoking, and not about pollution. It doesn’t matter if you think pollution is worse, it’s not relevant to the topic at hand. (Isn’t this what you guys call a Strawman? Clarification please.) You have no idea how any of us feel about pollution. We can be smoke haters and pollution haters at the same time. ~J ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/36 "2003-06-21T19:37:53Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s funny how people hate second hand smoke, but don’t understand that driving to work is just as bad, even worse I don’t drive. You were saying? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/37 "2003-06-21T20:03:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*I don’t drive. You were saying? \*\* matt… are you trying to get on a moral high horse here and posit that because you don’t drive, it makes you more virtuous and thus in a better position to take a stand against smoking? ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/38 "2003-06-21T20:28:14Z")
I don’t know **matt\_mcl** and therefore hate to speak on his behalf, but I think his point is rather similar to my own. It’s not valid in this discussion. He’s in the same position regardless of whether he drives an electric car, a gas guzzling SUV or a horse drawn carriage. Not better, not more virtuous. ~J ---
**Author:** ![moriah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@moriah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moriah)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/39 "2003-06-21T20:50:25Z")
[list=1] [li]If you want to shoot up tar and nicotine, go right ahead, just dispose of your needles appropriately.[/li][li]If you want to chew tobacco, go ahead, only, make sure you swallow so that your spittle isn’t impingeing on my personal liberties. (And since you don’t care about the lung cancer, I’m guessing you don’t care about the gum and stomach cancer.)[/li][li]When a thread **starts** with a Nazi reference, well, no good can come from that hysterics.[/li][/list=1] ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/40 "2003-06-21T21:15:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Finagle \* > \*\*I’m not sure anyone who watches NASCAR racing can complain about the air pollution of someone else’s car, even vicariously. But it is oddly ironic that the sponsorship went from appealing to one of the most vilified classes (smokers) to the next most (cell phone users). \*\* Will the drivers have to go from those headsets used to communicate with the pits to handheld cell phones? Can’t you see it; driving at nearly 200 mph with one hand while talking on a cell phone? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388.md?page=3)