# Anti-smoking Brownshirts **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 21, 2003, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388 "2003-06-21T07:26:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/141 "2003-06-23T21:52:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CanvasShoes \* > I guess your definition of “direct” is different than that of some of the rest of us. Hers was the same definition I use. I believe _you_ are the one using the non-standard definition. > [@](#): > > I consider getting smacked around by a drunk PRETTY DAMN DIRECT. Getting evicted because the old man blew the rent money on booze. Direct effect. Man drinks, family ends up in the station wagon. Cause and effect. Hmmm…I see you like your analogies _strained_. > [@](#): > > Ditto for having a drunk driver wipe out my loved ones, alcohol Definitely, and directly effects others. Drunk driving is ALREADY illegal. In fact, drinking in a car at all is illegal. You are NOT allowed to hurt other people as a result of your drinking, so why should you be allowed to hurt others with your smoke? > [@](#): > > If you MUST have it be an effect of proximity, then consider the nasty breath of a drunk. That’s a direct intrusion. I’m curious - when you people come up with these lame-ass analogies, are you actually thinking that you made a good point? ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/142 "2003-06-23T22:11:24Z")
## quote: Originally posted by CanvasShoes I guess your definition of “direct” is different than that of some of the rest of us. * * * Hers was the same definition I use. I believe you are the one using the non-standard definition. * * * I didn’t say it was “standard, OR non-standard” I just meant that some of us considered the effects of someone else’s alchohol use VERY direct. ## quote: I consider getting smacked around by a drunk PRETTY DAMN DIRECT. Getting evicted because the old man blew the rent money on booze. Direct effect. Man drinks, family ends up in the station wagon. Cause and effect. * * * ## Hmmm…I see you like your analogies strained. quote: Ditto for having a drunk driver wipe out my loved ones, alcohol Definitely, and directly effects others. * * * Drunk driving is ALREADY illegal. In fact, drinking in a car at all is illegal. You are NOT allowed to hurt other people as a result of your drinking, so why should you be allowed to hurt others with your smoke? * * * Who said I thought that? Wow, what a leap! I happen to be against smoking and certainly do NOT think smokers should be allowed to hurt others. My posts were related to a slight hijack regarding a post **AIW** made saying (paraphrased) that alcohol use didn’t effect others. (AGAIN, that was PARAPHRASED). ## quote: ## If you MUST have it be an effect of proximity, then consider the nasty breath of a drunk. That’s a direct intrusion. I’m curious - when you people come up with these lame-ass analogies, are you actually thinking that you made a good point? * * * That wasn’t an analogy at all, Again, I was referring ONLY to **AIW’s** post that I reference, and posted a hijack to, above, I paraphrased it, but it’s on the second page (I think). I was in disagreement with her post that alcohol didn’t have a direct effect. I am NOT in any way comparing it to smoking, nor am I at ALL defending smoking. Particularly in enclosed places, or those places where, as in the OP, it’s non-smoking, but the smoker chooses to smoke anyway. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/143 "2003-06-23T22:21:18Z")
Actually **Canvas** I’m confused - if you wern’t drawing an analogy then I don’t understand your post. I said that alcohol didn’t have direct affects similar to tobacco. You said that they did and offered up examples of abuse, drunk-driving, and bad breath. I pointed out that not all drinking results in these things - my single glass of wine at a dinner out certainly doesn’t. You ignored my post and are again pointing out that abuse, drunk-driving and bad breath as a result of alcohol consumption are bad. Well, you’re not going to get any arguement from me - an earlier post of mine mentions that my 16 year old cousing was killed in December by a drunk driver. However, I’m still confused why you’re annoyed with me for pointing out that drinking a glass of wine and smoking a cigarette have differing effects for those in close proximity to the drinker/smoker. I’ve never had an asthma attack induced by a person adjacent to me drinking wine. Never. ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/144 "2003-06-23T22:53:56Z")
Aaah, no biggie. I shouldn’t have hijacked. I originally disagreed with a statement you made on page 2 (went back and now, wouldn’t you know, can’t find it). I’m not annoyed at YOU at all!! Didn’t you read my first post? I said that I agree with you about 99% of your posts I’ve seen in various threads. I just disagreed with your statement earlier in this thread that (paraphrased) alcohol wasn’t a very big threat, (sorry again I looked, but couldn’t find it, so again, no biggie). At any rate, I saw in later posts that you are as against drunk drivers as I am. Back to the thread, booo hisss, down with the inconsiderate smokers. Yay for the good ones, (and so on :D) ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388/145 "2003-06-24T01:14:21Z")
Ah. Well nevermind then. 🙂 And yes, I am 100% against drunk drivers. And all for considerate smokers. Oh my God - **WE’RE THE SAME PERSON!!**. Oh wait. No we’re not. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-smoking-brownshirts/183388.md?page=7)