# Anti-SSM argument goes from stupid to... what the heck is this? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819 "2014-04-10T19:53:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Melchior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Melchior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melchior)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/701 "2014-04-14T20:21:10Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The only reason your getting a “personal attack” is because your advance a position that 1) ignores all facts and reason, and 2) seeks to diminish the rights of many of our fellow citizens. There isn’t much to “argue” with. You don’t know (or refuse to admit) what the word marriage means. Have you noticed that your position has not been endorsed by _anyone_ else. That’s unusual for all but the craziest points of view. Think about that for awhile. Really. give that some thought. I really don’t care what anyone else on here thinks. What could possibly make you think that? I consider that an \*endorsement \*of my reasoning! The only ‘argument’ I have seen from anybody is that ‘people want this to be true’. Sorry, that is no argument. We all face all kinds of limitations in society. That does not make the society an inherently unjust one. Does the fact that several states, including Califuckingfornia passed a constifuckingtutional amendment mean nothing? California, the most liberal state in the union? How can you possibly sit there and tell me that nobody agrees with me? Are you completely ignorant? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/702 "2014-04-14T20:22:31Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Even the English require terminal punctuation. I feel it might be misconstrued if I urge him to use terminal punctuation. ---
**Author:** ![Melchior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Melchior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melchior)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/703 "2014-04-14T20:23:31Z")
> [@Gedd](#): > > Oh goodness. > > I apologize to all the other dopers out there for this one. I know our state has had some North Carolina moments in the past few years, but we’re trying to fix that. Please don’t judge my town based on this one . . . person [I’m using my own definition in my mind]. You can be confident that his votes on this issue will be canceled by me and one-upped by my spouse. Don’t assume anything. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/704 "2014-04-14T20:23:51Z")
> [@Melchior](#): > > Does the fact that several states, including Califuckingfornia passed a constifuckingtutional amendment mean nothing? Gosh, I don’t think that’s in the dictionary! ---
**Author:** ![Melchior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Melchior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melchior)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/705 "2014-04-14T20:24:48Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Gosh, I don’t think that’s in the dictionary! Well, it’s something they will have to add, won’t they? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/706 "2014-04-14T20:25:18Z")
California is the most liberal state in the union? That’s rich. I lived in San Deigo and I promise you that ain’t so. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/707 "2014-04-14T20:26:13Z")
> [@Melchior](#): > > Well, it’s something they will have to add, won’t they? _loses monocle_ ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/708 "2014-04-14T20:26:35Z")
> [@Melchior](#): > > I really don’t care what anyone else on here thinks. Sure. > [@](#): > > The only ‘argument’ I have seen from anybody is that ‘people want this to be true’. The only way that could be true is if you paid absolutely no attention to anything anyone else wrote. I find that highly plausible, but it doesn’t help your case. > [@](#): > > Does the fact that several states, including Califuckingfornia passed a constifuckingtutional amendment mean nothing? So now you’re infuriated that someone isn’t paying attention to ballot measure and polls? You’ve seen the polls that show your opinion is now held by an increasingly insignificant minority. California’s amendment was thrown out, so yes, in the literal sense it now means nothing, and bans on same-sex marriage are now falling even in states like Utah and Oklahoma. And I just told you that 11 other states have legalized same-sex marriage the same way in five years, and three or four more will join them in November. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/709 "2014-04-14T20:26:39Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) > > Mar"riage (?), n. [OE. mariage, F. mariage. See Marry, v. t.] > > 1. Any intimate or close union. Members of the same sex aren’t capable of having an intimate or close union? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/710 "2014-04-14T20:27:11Z")
> [@Melchior](#): > > I really don’t care what anyone else on here thinks. What could possibly make you think that? I consider that an \*endorsement \*of my reasoning! The only ‘argument’ I have seen from anybody is that ‘people want this to be true’. Sorry, that is no argument. We all face all kinds of limitations in society. That does not make the society an inherently unjust one. > > Does the fact that several states, including Califuckingfornia passed a constifuckingtutional amendment mean nothing? California, the most liberal state in the union? How can you possibly sit there and tell me that nobody agrees with me? Are you completely ignorant? The times, they are a changing my friend. You better start swimming or you’ll sink like a stone. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/711 "2014-04-14T20:28:37Z")
> [@](#): > > I really don’t care what anyone else on here thinks. So, why are you posting here, then? ---
**Author:** ![Melchior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Melchior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melchior)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/712 "2014-04-14T20:29:17Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The times, they are a changing my friend. You better start swimming or you’ll sink like a stone. Not an argument. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/713 "2014-04-14T20:29:21Z")
My favorite thing is that even with this hijack (or even more so!) the thread title still fits! ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/714 "2014-04-14T20:30:36Z")
> [@Melchior](#): > > I really don’t care what anyone else on here thinks. What could possibly make you think that? I consider that an \*endorsement \*of my reasoning! And this, kids, is why fighting ignorance will never be done. Cecil’s mission is unwinnable, when ignorance is tautological. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/715 "2014-04-14T20:31:36Z")
> [@Melchior](#): > > Not an argument. Yawn. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/716 "2014-04-14T20:31:51Z")
Why has no one opened a pit thread yet!? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/717 "2014-04-14T20:32:06Z")
> [@Melchior](#): > > I mean, really, how can the comma or period come before the quote is closed? > > “I’m not going,” he said. “I was without food and you gave me some fries.” > > Does that make \*any \*sense at all? Well, in the second sentence, it’s fine (and I believe preferred UK style, since it’s a complete sentence. Seems completely logical to me.) The first half, yeah, I can see why one would prefer logical quotes to typesetters’ quotes and leave the comma outside the quotation mark. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/718 "2014-04-14T20:36:29Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > Why has no one opened a pit thread yet!? I did report this thread to get it moved to the pit a while back, but honestly it’s like he’s pitting himself. What more does anyone need to say? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/719 "2014-04-14T20:39:05Z")
> [@Melchior](#): > > Does the fact that several states, including Califuckingfornia passed a constifuckingtutional amendment mean nothing? California, the most liberal state in the union? How can you possibly sit there and tell me that nobody agrees with me? Are you completely ignorant? Yeah, it’s pretty scary how opinions have changed in the few years since California passed that amendment. It must be especially scary for you as you see [polls showing support has crossed 50%](http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/ohio/release-detail?ReleaseID=2011) in your own state. Tick, tick, tick… The clock is ticking for the dinosaurs… But as you are fond of noting, “popular opinion” and “votes” and all that are just _argumentum ad populum_, so we don’t have to bother explaining anything about old, out-of-date votes in California. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819/720 "2014-04-14T20:41:45Z")
> [@Melchior](#): > > Not an argument. It could be a great song though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-ssm-argument-goes-from-stupid-to-what-the-heck-is-this/685819.md?page=37)