# Anti-Trump bigot? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355 "2016-08-10T16:12:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/81 "2016-08-11T12:03:07Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > Those are some loaded, scary questions. I’d like to finally hear them answered by the candidate or his campaign surrogates without the continuing beating around the bush. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/82 "2016-08-11T12:06:49Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > There are some 55 million Hispanics in the United States (per 2014 US census bureau numbers) and about 9% of Hispanics oppose DACA (per Pew Foundation poll). That makes about 5 million Hispanics in the United States opposed to Obama’s DACA actions on immigration. > > Though the minority among their racial/ethnic group, there are indeed [Hispanics who support Donald Trump](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-hispanic-voters-224789). And some cite “his unsparing views on illegal immigration will prevent people from jumping ahead of them in line for jobs or social services” as a reason to support Trump. > > It is an argument from fairness. The rules might need to be changed, but whatever the rules are they should be enforced uniformly rather than disregarded as it applies to certain populations. Some of those who have been waiting in line for a visa feel taken advantage of when those who did not follow the rules get a special exemption. > > I’ve had discussions about immigration issues with Mrs Iggy’s Colombian family. When you discuss the issue without disclosing which candidate supports which stance they tend to have a mixed opinion. Not surprising because Hispanics are a diverse people… not to be assumed to all share the same beliefs, you know. Because thinking ALL Hispanics support X is a bigoted statement. I would expect nothing less of a large and diverse population with competing interests. But it’s important not to lose sight that while 9% of Hispanics support Trump, 91% do not. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/83 "2016-08-11T12:45:38Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > I have ever beared (bore?) _borne_ ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/84 "2016-08-11T15:31:11Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Yes, that is the claim… I thought it was a well-known and well-established fact that Republicans were generally more knowledgeable and better-informed than Democrats. [Here’s my cite](http://www.pewresearch.org/2010/11/18/public-knows-basic-facts-about-politics-economics-but-struggles-with-specifics/). Yes, I’m using self-identified Republicans as a stand-in for “Trump supporters” and self-identified Democrats as a stand-in for “Clinton supporters” because 1. both candidates are supported by more than 90% of their respective party members 2. there’s a wealth of statistical information on partisan differences that far surpasses research specifically on “Trump supporters” and “Clinton supporters” ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/85 "2016-08-11T15:50:53Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I thought it was a well-known and well-established fact that Republicans were generally more knowledgeable and better-informed than Democrats. [Here’s my cite](http://www.pewresearch.org/2010/11/18/public-knows-basic-facts-about-politics-economics-but-struggles-with-specifics/). > > Yes, I’m using self-identified Republicans as a stand-in for “Trump supporters” and self-identified Democrats as a stand-in for “Clinton supporters” because > > 1. both candidates are supported by more than 90% of their respective party members > 2. there’s a wealth of statistical information on partisan differences that far surpasses research specifically on “Trump supporters” and “Clinton supporters” Care to address my cite in post number 72? You may have missed that one. Also there’s this: [http://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5](http://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5) Trump supporters are not equivalent to Republicans in previous elections. You can use historical election data rather than data from right now if you like, but that doesn’t prove your case about current Trump supporters, who are to a significant degree ignorant and gullible. Look at the things that they believe. ACORN? She-Devil? Non existent Iran money video that they not only claim to believe Trump saw, but that they actually claim that they themselves saw! You can’t dismiss that with an unrelated study that does not address the current phenomenon of Trump supporters. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/86 "2016-08-11T16:20:07Z")
An interesting read from PSMag. [New research finds people with high and low cognitive ability are both biased — just toward different groups.](https://psmag.com/trump-supporters-are-prejudiced-and-so-are-you-ca2cbab00ec5#.37kw5q4v3) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/87 "2016-08-11T16:44:56Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I thought it was a well-known and well-established fact that Republicans were generally more knowledgeable and better-informed than Democrats. [Here’s my cite](http://www.pewresearch.org/2010/11/18/public-knows-basic-facts-about-politics-economics-but-struggles-with-specifics/). > > Yes, I’m using self-identified Republicans as a stand-in for “Trump supporters” and self-identified Democrats as a stand-in for “Clinton supporters” because > > 1. both candidates are supported by more than 90% of their respective party members > 2. there’s a wealth of statistical information on partisan differences that far surpasses research specifically on “Trump supporters” and “Clinton supporters” Except Trump is not the traditional Republican candidate. And many educated Republicans are running away from Trump as fast as their feet can carry them. Some even as far as endorsing Clinton. So I don’t think you should rely on that 90% support in this election. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/88 "2016-08-11T18:02:08Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Let me clear that up for you. > > Bigotry: hating people for the intrinsic qualities of their humanity. Hatred because of race, gender, ability or disability, ethnicity, and so on is bigotry. > > Not bigotry: hating people for the actions they choose to do and the words they choose to speak. > > Hating white people: bigotry > > Hating people because of their words and actions: Not bigotry > Hating white supremacists: Not bigotry > Hating people who choose to support a white supremacist Presidential candidate when he hints that assassinating his rival is a good idea: Not bigotry > > Which is not to say that hating people is a good idea. Hate leads to anger which … leads to … something, I forget. I don’t recommend hating anyone, if possible. > > But identifying bigotry is not at all a confusing subject, for rational adults. Is religion an intrinsic quality of humanity? Can’t I be a bigot against Muslims or Catholics or Jews? ETA: beat to the punch, but only by a day or so. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/89 "2016-08-11T18:03:42Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Except Trump is not the traditional Republican candidate. And many educated Republicans are running away from Trump as fast as their feet can carry them. Some even as far as endorsing Clinton. > > So I don’t think you should rely on that 90% support in this election. I guess I haven’t checked the polls lately. One I saw earlier had both Clinton and Trump getting mid-90’s levels of support from their respective partisans. That was before Trump took a dive in the polls though, so maybe it’s changed now. You used the word “many”, but I think the behavior you’re describing is really only exhibited by a tiny fraction of Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/90 "2016-08-11T18:04:50Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > See answer above. Religion is a matter that goes to the root of someone’s self-identity, while affiliation to a political party does not; it is also something the majority of people feel as akin to ethnicity - it can be changed but only with a strong act of will. Shit, half the Catholics I know, stopped being Catholic just by growing older. No effort or willpower involved. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/91 "2016-08-11T18:18:28Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Care to address my cite in post number 72? You may have missed that one. I didn’t miss it. I went and read the article, found the actual PPP poll results (they’re [here](http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NC_80916.pdf) BTW), and read through the list of questions they asked and decided it was a shitty poll that was designed as a partisan “Gotcha” game rather than a serious quest for knowledge. Other thread participants are invited to read the questions in the poll and draw their own conclusions. I’m not particularly interested in arguing against a cite that I think is so weak it collapses under even mild scrutiny by any sincere observer. BTW, guess who else saw the non-existent Iran money video: 25% of HRC supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/92 "2016-08-11T18:19:23Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I guess I haven’t checked the polls lately. One I saw earlier had both Clinton and Trump getting mid-90’s levels of support from their respective partisans. That was before Trump took a dive in the polls though, so maybe it’s changed now. > > You used the word “many”, but I think the behavior you’re describing is really only exhibited by a tiny fraction of Republicans. We’re talking about Trump supporters, not republicans. Lets leave those goal posts alone. Can you address my cite about the N.C. Trump supporters now? Anything at all to say about that? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/93 "2016-08-11T18:20:01Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I guess I haven’t checked the polls lately. One I saw earlier had both Clinton and Trump getting mid-90’s levels of support from their respective partisans. That was before Trump took a dive in the polls though, so maybe it’s changed now. > > You used the word “many”, but I think the behavior you’re describing is really only exhibited by a tiny fraction of Republicans. It’s all highly speculative, of course. How many rank and file Republicans are silently abandoning Trump for every high profile Republican who announces publicly that they cannot and will not vote for Trump? Here’s something that talks about [the current trend](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/trump-non-loyal-voters/491819/): > [@](#): > > This instability could continue into the general election. Trump’s die-hard supporters—the quarter of conservative voters who have unflinchingly supported him since December—are nearly 100 percent positive they’ll vote for him in November. But among the other faction—folks who only supported Trump once everyone else dropped out—only half are “certain” they’ll vote for him over Hillary Clinton or another candidate, Pew found. The fluidity of many Republican voters throughout the primary, for Trump one month, against him the next, doesn’t bode well for party unity. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/94 "2016-08-11T18:21:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > BTW, guess who else saw the non-existent Iran money video: 25% of HRC supporters. And what was their reaction? ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/95 "2016-08-11T18:25:57Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I didn’t miss it. I went and read the article, found the actual PPP poll results (they’re [here](http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NC_80916.pdf) BTW), and read through the list of questions they asked and decided it was a shitty poll that was designed as a partisan “Gotcha” game rather than a serious quest for knowledge. “The candidates for President are Democrat, Hillary Clinton, Republican Donald Trump, Libertarian Gary Johnson, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein. If the election was today, who would you vote for?” Hillary Clinton… 43% Donald Trump … 41% How is this a partisan “gotcha” game??? ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/96 "2016-08-11T18:31:09Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > Is it possible to be intolerant of intolerance? Not only is it possible, it’s _admirable_. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/97 "2016-08-11T18:32:07Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > “The candidates for President are Democrat, Hillary Clinton, Republican Donald Trump, Libertarian Gary Johnson, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein. If the election was today, who would you vote for?” > > Hillary Clinton… 43% > Donald Trump … 41% > > How is this a partisan “gotcha” game??? Q14: “Do you think Donald Trump can be trusted with nuclear weapons, or not?” Q15: “Have you seen the video of Iran collecting 400 million dollars from the United States, or not?” Q20: “Do you think ACORN will steal the election for Hillary Clinton, or not?” Q21: “Do you think Hillary Clinton is the Devil, or not?” those are all clues, to me at least, that it’s not a serious poll. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/98 "2016-08-11T18:34:42Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > “The candidates for President are Democrat, Hillary Clinton, Republican Donald Trump, Libertarian Gary Johnson, and Green Party candidate Jill Stein. If the election was today, who would you vote for?” > > Hillary Clinton… 43% > Donald Trump … 41% > > How is this a partisan “gotcha” game??? Because someone’s candidate is losing the game, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![davida03801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/99 "2016-08-11T18:35:32Z")
To the OP. With all due respect yeah, your intolerant, you’re a bigot, and you have little empathy or respect for those less fortunate who have lost out in recent years. But that is to be expected. The most intolerant people I know are overbearing liberals and progressives both in real life and here online. I am not a Trump supporter as much as I dislike Hillary a whole lot more. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/100 "2016-08-11T18:40:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Q14: “Do you think Donald Trump can be trusted with nuclear weapons, or not?” > > Q15: “Have you seen the video of Iran collecting 400 million dollars from the United States, or not?” > > Q20: “Do you think ACORN will steal the election for Hillary Clinton, or not?” > > Q21: “Do you think Hillary Clinton is the Devil, or not?” > > those are all clues, to me at least, that it’s not a serious poll. These seem like good questions to gauge the effects of these smear campaigns. Anyway, those come after the question I quoted (Q5). Those responding to the poll would have answered Q5 before they even saw these questions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355.md?page=6)