# Anti-Trump bigot? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355 "2016-08-10T16:12:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/101 "2016-08-11T18:44:44Z")
> [@davida03801](#): > > To the OP. With all due respect yeah, your intolerant, you’re a bigot, and you have little empathy or respect for those less fortunate who have lost out in recent years. > > But that is to be expected. The most intolerant people I know are overbearing liberals and progressives both in real life and here online. > > I am not a Trump supporter as much as I dislike Hillary a whole lot more. So you are making the claim that the part of the national electorate that is demonstrably more likely to vote for creating a social net to keep those most negatively impacted by change in economic circumstance from falling through the cracks, are the least tolerant? That’s so nuanced, I think I need you elaborate further. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/102 "2016-08-11T18:45:57Z")
> [@davida03801](#): > > The most intolerant people I know are overbearing liberals and progressives both in real life and here online. And liberals feel the same way towards conservatives. It’s natural to feel that the people who don’t share your views are “intolerant.” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/103 "2016-08-11T18:52:40Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Okay. So what specific policies or positions espoused by Trump would they be in support of that aren’t motivated by ignorance, fear or bigotry? Negotiating trade deals with less focus on diplomatic relations and more focus on the economic impacts of the trade deal. That’s the main thing AFAICT. Some people agree with the notion that we should focus on our domestic issues and economy before we waste more money on foreign policy. That we should withdraw from the world stage a bit. Some agree that we should be more neutral on Israel. As far as Republicans go, he is relatively moderate if you ignore the rhetoric. He is the most pro-choice Republican candidate we had in my lifetime. He is most pro-affirmative action Republican candidate in my lifetime. He is most pro-gay rights Republican candidate in my lifetime. Pro-campaign finance reform. He is the most pro-legalization (marijuana) Republican candidate we have had in my lifetime. Pro-nuclear power. If he wasn’t so unqualified, if he had better control over his mouth, and if he didn’t so blatantly pander to the lowest common denominator of the Republican party, I could make an argument for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/104 "2016-08-11T18:53:19Z")
For all of those who think that PPP poll is worth more of our time, [here is a Slate article written about that precise poll](http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/08/11/poll_asking_voters_if_hillary_clinton_is_the_devil_only_helps_trump.html). Some of the highlights: > [@](#): > > … the real sinner in this diabolical canvassing misadventure is the irresponsible, misleading, and democracy-threatening polling firm that saw fit to ask about it. > … > By asking voters if Clinton is truly a Mephistophelian menace, Public Policy Polling—whose methodology Nate Silver decried in 2013 and whose “opacity” and “amateurish weighting techniques” Nate Cohn blasted a year later—is perverting both purposes. > … > Stupid questions earn stupid answers—and the ambiguity that results means PPP failed even to accomplish any pollsters’ most fundamental goal: informing Americans as truthfully as possible about what their fellow citizens think. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/105 "2016-08-11T18:55:24Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > I think the test is objective, not subjective. > > If I make outrageous, disparaging generalizations about Oakland Raiders fans, I’m not committing the same sort of offence as if I make outrageous, disparaging generalizations about Jews or Blacks, and no amount of folks insisting that _subjectively_ they regard their Oakland Raider fandom as an essential part of their identity transforms the act into “bigotry” - because reasonable folks would agree that being Black, or Jewish, is more integral to one’s identity than being a fan of a particular sports team. > > That analysis may not stop an Oakland Raiders fan sticking a fist in my face, though. in much the same way that you don’t think its bigoted to hate white supremacists, Oakland fans deserve the scorn while the racial and religious minorities do not. I can think of plenty of guys that put their sports team ahead of religion. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/106 "2016-08-11T18:59:33Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Maybe some of them find [the tax plan he laid out the other night](http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-to-propose-tax-breaks-on-pocketbook-issues-in-economic-plan-1470663478) appealing. Maybe some feel like his border security and immigration reform message is important in an age of terrorism. Look, this is really basic stuff, I have a hard time believing you didn’t know he has actual rational policy positions. They’re on his website and in speeches he gives. Why is it hard to imagine people being attracted to those positions? Because every four years, the Republican candidate (whoever that happens to be) is the worst person in the world. Noone in their right mind could ever support the Republican candidate (whoever that happens to be). I know some conservatives that feel similarly about the Democratic candidate. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/107 "2016-08-11T19:02:53Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I know some conservatives that feel similarly about the Democratic candidate. Yeah, but … she’s the DEVIL!!! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/108 "2016-08-11T19:08:27Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I live in Utah, so most of my female friends and family members prefer Trump to Clinton. Same with the Hispanics I know well enough to discuss political inclinations with. I don’t regularly have face-to-face conversations with any Muslims or gays where politics is a topic. > > I’d like to see Clinton supporters have conversations with coal workers after Clinton said, “we’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business”. Perhaps they could laugh about it too, but sadly, we don’t all get everything we want. > > I agree with your thoughts about the formulation “All \_\_\_\_\_ are \_\_\_\_\_”. Honestly I am trying to figure out how Trump is worse for females or gays than establishment Repu8blicans would be. Frankly, I doubt Trump would be much worse for Hispanics or muslims than most of the establishment candidates. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/109 "2016-08-11T19:13:04Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Frankly, I doubt Trump would be much worse for Hispanics or muslims than most of the establishment candidates. Which of the Republican establishment candidates have a platform that includes building a wall with Mexico, deporting 11 million illegal immigrants and banning all muslims from entry? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/110 "2016-08-11T20:06:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If he wasn’t so unqualified, if he had better control over his mouth, and if he didn’t so blatantly pander to the lowest common denominator of the Republican party, I could make an argument for Trump. You wouldn’t have to - he’d’ve pushed out of the primary race back in March. ---
**Author:** ![davida03801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/111 "2016-08-11T20:22:15Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > So you are making the claim that the part of the national electorate that is demonstrably more likely to vote for creating a social net to keep those most negatively impacted by change in economic circumstance from falling through the cracks, are the least tolerant? > > That’s so nuanced, I think I need you elaborate further. I am referencing two things. The Regan Democrat point, that I think is in play this election cycle. The other point is the long, long time period of very low work force participation. It is at historic lows. I know people in both groups. They want opportunity and don’t see it coming soon. ---
**Author:** ![davida03801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/112 "2016-08-11T20:33:33Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > And liberals feel the same way towards conservatives. It’s natural to feel that the people who don’t share your views are “intolerant.” I will offer that both sides see intolerance where it does not exist. Any liberal or progressive worth his salt will be sure to call anyone to the right of the political center a racist and bigot. That most certainly is not true. Are there a few wing nuts out there who are? Of course. Are they all. Hell no and far from it. The opposite from a conservative point of view is also true. Not all progressives and liberals are flag burning, Christian hating bigots. Are their a few left wing wing nuts, sure. Are all progressives and libs that way. No. Unfortunate the political discourse is this way. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/113 "2016-08-11T20:51:00Z")
> [@davida03801](#): > > Any liberal or progressive worth his salt will be sure to call anyone to the right of the political center a racist and bigot. That most certainly is not true. You are correct-The first statement is most certainly not true. Let me guess-You are another one of those that think they can justify specific crap done by one side by claiming an equal amount of _unspecified_ crap is done by the other side, like there is this “Universal Political Equality Law” that forces one side to be just as bad as the other. Fuck that. If you’ve got specific examples of equal strength to counter with, then bring them on. In the meantime I’m not buying this “fence-sitting” act that’s used to justify crap. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/114 "2016-08-11T22:25:56Z")
> [@davida03801](#): > > To the OP. With all due respect yeah, your intolerant, you’re a bigot, and you have little empathy or respect for those less fortunate who have lost out in recent years. > > But that is to be expected. The most intolerant people I know are overbearing liberals and progressives both in real life and here online. > > I am not a Trump supporter as much as I dislike Hillary a whole lot more. I have little empathy or respect for those less fortunate? Huh? If these less fortunate types are Trump supporters then I have no reason to provide empathy. And saying that most intolerant people you know are overbearing liberals and progressives both in real life and here online has immediately reduced your credibility to zero - typical partisan potshot (yawn), where obviously the inverse can be stated, and with more credibility. ---
**Author:** ![davida03801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/115 "2016-08-12T13:57:44Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > If these less fortunate types are Trump supporters then I have no reason to provide empathy. Your words not mine. Who gives a fuck if millions are out of work and not even counted in the unemployment numbers anymore? Cleary not you. Spoken as a true progressive. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/116 "2016-08-12T14:19:06Z")
> [@davida03801](#): > > Your words not mine. > > Who gives a fuck if millions are out of work and not even counted in the unemployment numbers anymore? Cleary not you. > > Spoken as a true progressive. If one is a xenophobic, ignorant, homophobic piece of shit (ie Trump supporter), rich or poor, then I have time for neither. yeah and like you honestly give a fuck about it. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/117 "2016-08-12T14:28:01Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > I have little empathy or respect for those less fortunate? > Huh? > **If these less fortunate types are Trump supporters then I have no reason to provide empathy.** Then this “selective empathy” is no different than the empathy shown by the people you call bigoted. Hey, they’re perfectly empathetic… as long as they like your political views. > [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > And saying that most intolerant people you know are overbearing liberals and progressives both in real life and here online has immediately reduced your credibility to zero In the same way that he hasn’t lived your life or had your personal interactions, you haven’t lived his life or had his personal interactions. His experience is no more or less _personally valid_ than yours. You may never have met a nice Pakistani person in your life. I may never have met an unfriendly Pakistani person in my life. Our experiences do not cancel each other out. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/118 "2016-08-12T14:43:06Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Then this “selective empathy” is no different than the empathy shown by the people you call bigoted. Hey, they’re perfectly empathetic… as long as they like your political views. But if their political views are so abysmally fucking retrograde, how can you expect me to show empathy? > [@Velocity](#): > > In the same way that he hasn’t lived your life or had your personal interactions, you haven’t lived his life or had his personal interactions. His experience is no more or less _personally valid_ than yours. I don’t recall making any observations of his experiences, just what he said. great - gotta go to work now ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/119 "2016-08-12T14:50:19Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > I don’t recall making any observations of his experiences, just what he said. But you did make observations about his experience. > [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > saying that most intolerant people you know are overbearing liberals and progressives both in real life and here online has immediately reduced your credibility to zero You haven’t lived his life or had his personal interactions. How do you know he’s not being truthful about his experience? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355/120 "2016-08-12T14:56:22Z")
> [@davida03801](#): > > Who gives a fuck if millions are out of work and not even counted in the unemployment numbers anymore? Cleary not you. > > Spoken as a true progressive. Again, demonstrably wrong conclusion. Historically, progressives have been the ones on the side of improving social safety nets for the disadvantaged in society, regardless of political affiliation. Conservatives have traditionally been less so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-bigot/762355.md?page=7)