# Anti-Trump protesters stream torture of mentally disabled person on Facebook Live **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384 "2017-01-05T14:02:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/41 "2017-01-05T19:19:02Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > And these weren’t “liberals”; they were just assholes. Wait, what??? You mean there can be assholes that supported Hillary, that aren’t representative of Hillary supporters in general? Damn, that concept is rather unique considering the broad brush that the deplorables supporting Trump were painted with. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/42 "2017-01-05T19:22:24Z")
Definitely. That’s why the quote was “100% of his supporters are a basket of deplorables”. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/43 "2017-01-05T19:22:42Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Yeah, both sides have assholes on their side, so when it comes to one side or the other doing something assholish, both sides do it too. > > The difference here, is that while within hours of this story breaking, all the left leaning people on this board that have weighed in on the situation have condemned it, the right leaning people implied that this was a tarnish against left leaners in general, while not even knowing that they have done exactly the same thing. > > I see that you have been made aware of the incident, and have not condemned it, and yet still seem to be using the more recent “anti-trump” event as a mark against democrats. You can also say that I “have not condemned” the OP incident either, since I didn’t post that I condemn it, in those words. You seriously want me explicitly say that I condemn it? Yes, I do. Both the incident in the OP and the one 8 years ago. I really don’t expect anyone on this board NOT to, in either case. As for “tarnish” - well, some leftists keep insisting, every time something happens, that the right-wing rhetoric or “atmosphere” etc. is partially responsible. As far as I know, that kind of thinking is prevalent on one side of the spectrum and is not on the other. Do you think the left-wing rhetoric or the atmosphere of hysterical exaggeration of Trump’s “evil” is responsible, partially, for the incident in Chicago? ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/44 "2017-01-05T19:23:30Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Wait, what??? You mean there can be assholes that supported Hillary, that aren’t representative of Hillary supporters in general? Damn, that concept is rather unique considering the broad brush that the deplorables supporting Trump were painted with. 😉 Lol @ the poster who brings logic into this … ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/45 "2017-01-05T19:29:07Z")
Will this thread trend now that the perps are charged with HATE CRIMES ? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/46 "2017-01-05T19:48:01Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/47 "2017-01-05T19:49:09Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > And these weren’t “liberals”; they were just assholes. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > People who behave this way are not on anybody’s side. They’re fucking assholes and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Gotcha. Liberals can not be assholes. The wonderful things I learn on this board. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/48 "2017-01-05T19:57:15Z")
The inequality here is just unbelievable. If this were a black man… There would be protests in many major cities and they would be entirely justified. Obama would have already made a statement condemning it. This young man could have been my son. But it’s not. So we shrug it off as just another terrible and violent crime. How could any rational person see that video and question whether it was a hate crime,? Yet that’s exactly what the Chicago police initially did. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/49 "2017-01-05T20:05:53Z")
I’m not that keen on the idea of “hate crimes” in the first place. I don’t think it really should matter what the criminal is thinking about while they are committing their crimes. Does thinking “gee, I really don’t like this guy” while hitting him _really_ count as a more or less serious crime than thinking “gee, I really don’t like black guys” while hitting him? ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/50 "2017-01-05T20:10:40Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The inequality here is just unbelievable. > > If this were a black man… > > There would be protests in many major cities and they would be entirely justified. Obama would have already made a statement condemning it. This young man could have been my son. > > But it’s not. So we shrug it off as just another terrible and violent crime. > > How could any rational person see that video and question whether it was a hate crime,? Yet that’s exactly what the Chicago police initially did. I saw a press conference this morning where the sheriff (I think it was the sheriff) called this a “prank”. Seriously disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/51 "2017-01-05T20:14:01Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > You can also say that I “have not condemned” the OP incident either, since I didn’t post that I condemn it, in those words. > > You seriously want me explicitly say that I condemn it? Yes, I do. Both the incident in the OP and the one 8 years ago. I really don’t expect anyone on this board NOT to, in either case. I was just pointing out that the lefties on this board were being condemned for not condemning this event before we had even heard of it. But, yeah, good on you to be able to condemn “when your side does it too”. > [@](#): > > As for “tarnish” - well, some leftists keep insisting, every time something happens, that the right-wing rhetoric or “atmosphere” etc. is partially responsible. As far as I know, that kind of thinking is prevalent on one side of the spectrum and is not on the other. > > Do you think the left-wing rhetoric or the atmosphere of hysterical exaggeration of Trump’s “evil” is responsible, partially, for the incident in Chicago? Some of the reactions to trump may be responsible for amping up the rhetoric, and possibly nucleating acts of violence. But it is not an exaggeration of trump being “evil”, it is a reaction to the very specific things that trump himself has said. I know that if I were a black youth who trump has threatened with stop and frisk, I would probably be a little less rational than I might be if I were some middle aged guy typing at a keyboard, with virtually no concern about police harassment. I am not excusing this behavior in any way, mind you, I am just pointing out that it does make sense for people in these situations to make less than optimal decisions as to their conduct. But you are right, that sort of thinking is largely on one side. It is the republicans who threaten the safety and security of minorities, so there is going to be a reaction to that by those threatened minorities. And it is less about republicans, and more about conservatism in general. The minorities in the country have been oppressed in the past, and in many ways are oppressed now. Conservatives, by definition, don’t want change, and therefore, will push for policies that continue to run the system the way it is now, in a way that causes the minority populations to feel oppressed. So, it is less a fight against republicans as a party that they act upon, but more a rejection of oppression in general. That the republican party embodies this status quo of oppression is not the minorities’ fault, nor is it the party that wishes to improve the opportunities of those marginalized by society. In the end, I will continue to condemn any acts of violence, by any person or group, for any reason. For what it is worth, I will especially condemn acts of violence that are carried out in the name of “my side”. However, while I may not like these incidents, and while I may condemn them in the utmost terms, I cannot be surprised by them. If a system is created that makes someone feel as thought they have no worth, no value, that they are a criminal just for existing, well, I cannot predict how someone like that will act, other than to say that they will not act in the rational manner that we may like to see. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/52 "2017-01-05T20:18:09Z")
Peaceful transition of power ? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/53 "2017-01-05T20:28:12Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I’m not that keen on the idea of “hate crimes” in the first place. I don’t think it really should matter what the criminal is thinking about while they are committing their crimes. Does thinking “gee, I really don’t like this guy” while hitting him _really_ count as a more or less serious crime than thinking “gee, I really don’t like black guys” while hitting him? The penalty may be stiffer, and you can try the perpetrator for two crimes instead of one, and have a better chance of conviction. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/54 "2017-01-05T20:32:26Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Gotcha. Liberals can not be assholes. The wonderful things I learn on this board. Of course they can. But the minute we find out, we tear up their membership. Where as conservatives make them POTUS. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/55 "2017-01-05T20:34:24Z")
We made Ike POTUS , the left made LBJ POTUS … ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/56 "2017-01-05T20:42:19Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The penalty may be stiffer, and you can try the perpetrator for two crimes instead of one, and have a better chance of conviction. Yeah, but my problem _is_ with prosecuting people for their thoughts, not their actions. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/57 "2017-01-05T20:43:37Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > We made Ike POTUS , the left made LBJ POTUS … LBJ did an all time dumb thing (Vietnam war), but also some all-time great things (Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act). ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/58 "2017-01-05T20:46:26Z")
It appears the assailants are indeed being charged with a hate crime. But I’m wondering what the long pause was about. How is the bar of proof set, and how do they determine when the bar has been crossed, and when to classify as a hate crime? Do district attorneys gather in a room and debate,\* “Well, he said N-word, so I think that’s a hate crime…” “Nahh, the N-word was only said once, it has to be said three times to count?”\* ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/59 "2017-01-05T20:46:55Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Yeah, but my problem _is_ with prosecuting people for their thoughts, not their actions. It is not their thoughts, it is their actions that they are prosecuted for. If you do not think that their thoughts while committing crimes matter, do you also disagree about the different degrees of murder? The point of hate crimes is that you are not just a single person acting against another single person, you are a group of people acting against a group of people, even if it is just one on one. It does more damage to the community than just one person having a beef with one other person, and that damage to the community is what the extra punishment is for. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384/60 "2017-01-05T20:47:38Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Yeah, but my problem _is_ with prosecuting people for their thoughts, not their actions. Hmm. I believe you have a point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-protesters-stream-torture-of-mentally-disabled-person-on-facebook-live/776384.md?page=4)