# Anti Trump riot in California - Seriously? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 3, 2016, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736 "2016-05-03T00:29:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![dofe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ba0ec/32.png) [@dofe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dofe)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/61 "2016-05-03T22:29:36Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Check out the[videos.](http://www.infowars.com/anti-trump-rioters-gone-wild-uncensored/) > > Is this the new strategy from the Democratic party? > > Oh man - they sooo much inspire me to vote Hillary. How did you make the mental leap to reach the conclusion that people who protest Trump are part of a new strategy from the Democratic party? Surely, could it be the case that some among the group of people who have been insulted by Trump (as rapists and criminals) might just decide to express their objections to Trump’s inaccurate accusations, without any involvement from the Democratic party? Nah, too unrealistic. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/62 "2016-05-03T22:38:14Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Nothing whatsoever is currently being done about illegal immigration? I’d say that’s news to most people. That’s mainly due to ICE basically ignoring Presidential requests to let up. But anyway, violent protests are ridiculous and should be ridiculed, and if anyone caught by the police is here illegally, they should be deported with all due speed. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/63 "2016-05-03T22:44:57Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Why would they? Trump’s the only one who’s dared to say he’ll do something about illegal immigration. Naturally this means he’s a racist and hates brown people. Kind of like how if you condemn anti-police and misogynistic lyrics in rap it means you’re a racist and you hate black people. Let’s walk through this. 1. Trump’s a racist because he says racist (and sexist and bigoted) things on the regular. 2. That doesn’t make him unique among the Republican contenders. 3. Therefore, if “Mexican Nationalists” are going nuts outside Trump’s - and _only_ Trump’s - events, it’s not because Donald Trump is a racist. 4. Aside from that, “Mexican Nationalists” do not exist to fight racism or to promote the interests of illegal immigrants. 5. The cause espoused by “Mexican Nationalists” is - wait for it - Mexican Nationalism. 6. “Mexican Nationalists” - such as they are - want to _reunite_ the American Southwest with Mexico. They don’t have common cause with people who are trying to _leave_ Mexico. 7. People who just see the word Mexican and assume that all Mexicans want the same thing and are down with violent protests because MEXICANS are scary rapists - are, in fact racist. 8. Regardless of who is or is not a racist - Mexican Nationalists have every bit as much reason to protest at all the candidates’ events, because their goal, that is, the return of American lands to Mexico, is something they will need to broach with whomever wins, (which, in any case, ain’t going to be Donald Trump.) 9. If Mexican Nationalists have an actual issue they wish to advance, they should be talking about it all the events. 10. Which is why it’s notable that only Donald has Scary Mexicans performing outside his venue. 11. Of course, Mexican Nationalists have about as much chance of achieving their goals as the mummified corpse of Montezuma has of kicking those damn Spaniards off his island. Which is why normal people bust out laughing when they hear Trump and his fans talking about the scary violent Mexicans. 12. Conclusion: It’s not a protest. It’s performance art. > [@](#): > > What is it with the left, where any and all behavior by people in a politically protected group is excused and defended? I’m not defending violence. I’m saying that Donald Trump benefits from the violence. So isn’t it lucky for Donald that violent things keep happening at his events. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/64 "2016-05-03T23:05:02Z")
I was talking about illegal immigration being excused and defended, not violence. Thankfully we only have a few here who are the type to advocate violence. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/65 "2016-05-03T23:05:08Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > I’m not defending violence. I’m saying that Donald Trump benefits from the violence. So isn’t it lucky for Donald that violent things keep happening at his events. Are the same protesters showing up at all Trump rallies? Because I don’t recall (putative?) Mexican Nationalists showing up at Trump rallies in other states. And it would be difficult to astroturf a bunch of violent counter demonstrations with scores / hundreds of willing new people at every location, not to mention the exponentially higher difficulty of keeping the astroturfiness a secret. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/66 "2016-05-03T23:13:07Z")
He wouldn’t have to astroturf the protest groups. He just needs violent people on his own team to start shit with the protestors. We already know he’s got that. And we’ve heard him offer to pay their legal fees for starting shit. Anyone can wave flags or wear t-shirts. And then Donald shows up and raves about how he’s so oppressed and his enemies out to get him, and gee aren’t his fans such great Americans? No, I don’t think it would be all that difficult for a billionaire with malignant narcissism. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/67 "2016-05-04T01:09:19Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Is that the candidate who the Mexican nationalist have decided should not be President of the U.S.? It appears that the Mexican nationalists are willing to resort to violence in the U.S. in order to prevent the free speech of a U.S. presidential candidate. Some people seem to agree with, and advocate for, the violence of Mexican nationalist who are trying to influence/threaten the U.S. election process. So…let me see if I’ve got this straight. Those dangerous “Take Back America for the Mexicans” people are a threat to the political system? There is no response to that except to laugh my ass off. Reality is this way. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/68 "2016-05-04T03:13:05Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Why do you think its ok for the government to silence certain groups of people (who coincidentally are the ones you don’t agree with)? > > Otherwise, who are you suggesting stop free citizens from expressing their rights of speech and free association? > > Protesting has a long tradition in this country, I’d like to hear your justification for why we should outlaw it now. People are free to say what they wish. My problem are the assaults, blocking public streets, and intimidation. You know. Actual crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/69 "2016-05-04T13:11:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > People are free to say what they wish. My problem are the assaults, blocking public streets, and intimidation. You know. Actual crimes. Yes and I think we all agree the ones that do that should be arrested, or at the least removed. But you seem to be against the actual protests themselves though. You started talking about the protesters in general, and now you are only focusing on the small percent that committed actual crimes. Nobody is arguing that people should be able to commit crimes, so we maybe we should stick to the actual points of contention or else it isn’t much of a debate. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/70 "2016-05-04T13:26:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s mainly due to ICE basically ignoring Presidential requests to let up. > > But anyway, violent protests are ridiculous and should be ridiculed, and if anyone caught by the police is here illegally, they should be deported with all due speed. The first sentence quoted above is unsupported by any facts I could discern. Got a cite we could look at? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/71 "2016-05-04T14:12:43Z")
Here’s the key paragraph: > **[United States v. Texas, the biggest immigration case in a century, explained](https://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11424614/supreme-court-immigration-dapa-daca)** > > Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology,... > [@](#): > > Federal immigration enforcement has totally transformed over the past 20 years. More people are eligible for deportation than ever before. The growth of the unauthorized population pre–Great Recession meant there were more people to deport. After 9/11, the government got vastly more money and resources for deportation. And deportations escalated accordingly — from 183,000 in 1999 to a high of 400,000 during the first several years of the Obama administration. > > President Obama has spent most of his time in office trying to impose some sort of control on all of this — to make sure the government is choosing who’s most important to deport, rather than arbitrarily deporting anyone Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents get their hands on. His first attempts — setting high and low “priorities” for deportation and telling immigration agents to follow them — were something both sides in the current court case agree he could do but that rank-and-file immigration agents frequently ignored in favor of their own judgment. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/72 "2016-05-04T15:29:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Here’s the key paragraph: > > [United States v. Texas, the biggest immigration case in a century, explained | Vox](http://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11424614/supreme-court-immigration-dapa-daca) Great, thanks. I’m having a little trouble seeing the part where Obama is asking ICE to “let up”, however. Guess I need to clean my spectacles. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/73 "2016-05-04T15:58:02Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > So…let me see if I’ve got this straight. Those dangerous “Take Back America for the Mexicans” people are a threat to the political system? > > There is no response to that except to laugh my ass off. > > Reality is this way. How do you sit with no ass? 😃 Meanwhile, some people seem to agree with, and advocate for, the violence of Mexican nationalist who are TRYING to influence/threaten the U.S. election process. “Trying” doesn’t mean that they will be successful. I’ll suggest that the anti-free speech violence of the Mexican nationalist will have the opposite effect. Voters will reject the candidates who chose to kowtow to the pro-violence Mexican nationalists. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736/74 "2016-05-04T16:03:46Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Great, thanks. I’m having a little trouble seeing the part where Obama is asking ICE to “let up”, however. Guess I need to clean my spectacles. The administration is deporting more people than ever before (as mentioned, as a function of more immigrants in general) and the priorities are just common sense. Having sat in on many an immigration hearing, it’s a lengthy process that just grinds along. People come in, are missing some bit of paperwork or their lawyer doesn’t show up and the case gets pushed to the next opening… 26 months down the road. Prosecutorial discretion is very valuable here in moving the moving the less important cases aside and focusing on the people involved in crime or who are a danger. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-trump-riot-in-california-seriously/753736.md?page=3)