# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/241 "2018-02-26T10:02:30Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Is it too early to start investing in the stocks of Iron Lung makers? Sorry, it looks like a combination of better hygiene and natural forces has caused a remarkable decrease in Polio cases. > **[Bill Gates: For polio the endgame is near](https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/bill-gates-humanity-will-see-its-last-case-of-polio-this-year.html)** > > Four years ago Bill Gates predicted polio would be eradicated by 2020. Progress shows the last case may be seen as early as this year. Sure, Bill Gates, the WHO, and that fraud Salk will take all the credit for ending a scourge that paralyzed and killed millions, but won’t take any of the blame for the dozens of parents who claim their children have been harmed by the Polio vaccine. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/242 "2018-02-26T14:08:32Z")
I actually know a man who was paralyzed by polio vaccine. It wasn’t “claimed”, it was the actual case, and he received a settlement in compensation. I don’t see where anyone dodged blame or responsibility. There is a set process for this. Of course, companies aren’t going to shell out for \*every \*problem a kid has after vaccination because for the most part those problems are unrelated to the vaccine despite what the woo-woo crowd claims. There has to be some proof that it was the vaccine that caused the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/243 "2018-02-26T16:56:27Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I actually know a man who was paralyzed by polio vaccine. It wasn’t “claimed”, it was the actual case, and he received a settlement in compensation. I don’t see where anyone dodged blame or responsibility. There is a set process for this. Of course, companies aren’t going to shell out for \*every \*problem a kid has after vaccination because for the most part those problems are unrelated to the vaccine despite what the woo-woo crowd claims. There has to be some proof that it was the vaccine that caused the problem. Actually, the companies don’t pay directly. In the U.S., there is something called [Office of Special Masters of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court), aka the vaccine court established as part of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. We know that there will be injuries (mostly shoulder injuries due to bad jabs) because of vaccines. But we also know that vaccines are absolutely vital to public health and need to be mandated by the government. So there is a system in place, with a very low bar, to compensate any possible injuries. It is funded by a tax on all vaccines, and only requires passing a three prong test to prove possible injury: > [@](#): > > the petitioner must present a biological theory of harm, a logical sequence of events connecting the vaccine to the injury, and establish an appropriate time frame in which injury occurred; the petitioner must also show that there is not another biologically plausible explanation for the injury. Prove that, and you can get a settlement. Note, that autism claims are [routinely rejected](http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/vaccines-trial-us-court-separates-fact-fiction), despite what some have [claimed](http://www.immunizeusa.org/blog/2016/july/22/vaccine-court/). ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/244 "2018-02-26T20:27:04Z")
Yes, the point being that actual vaccine injuries are covered - and it seems to me a modest tax on all vaccines and/or fund that vaccine manufacturers pay into is a much more efficient and probably kinder method of compensating those injured than a court case. Medicine is an area where you can do everything absolutely correctly and still get a bad outcome. No malice required. So setting up some sort of insurance for the inevitable bad outcomes is not a bad way to handle the injuries. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/245 "2018-02-27T18:01:43Z")
[Florida Pediatrician Arrested for Allegedly Giving Partial Vaccine Doses to Hundreds of Children](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/florida-pediatrician-arrested-for-allegedly-giving-partial-vaccine-doses-to-hundreds-of-children/ar-BBJDAEe) > [@](#): > > A Florida pediatrician was arrested on Friday after she allegedly inoculated hundreds of children with less than the required dose of vaccine. > > \ > > The department said about 500 children have been affected and say they may need to be revaccinated since the partial doses does not protect them from potentially dangerous diseases. Holy shit. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/246 "2018-02-27T18:25:16Z")
That reminds me of the case of the oncologist who was making mad bank by diluting all the chemo drugs. What a world. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/247 "2018-02-27T18:27:19Z")
“All Vaccinations Half Off!” ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/248 "2018-03-05T03:16:14Z")
The aforementioned niece just shared a document on FB that supposedly “proves” that getting the pertussis vaccine makes one more likely to get the disease than not getting vaxed at all. The lower right chart’s columns for 0 doses and 3+ doses are circled on the FB version. > **[pertuss-surv-report-2014.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/downloads/pertuss-surv-report-2014.pdf)** > > 75.21 KB ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/249 "2018-03-05T04:28:49Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > The aforementioned niece just shared a document on FB that supposedly “proves” that getting the pertussis vaccine makes one more likely to get the disease than not getting vaxed at all. The lower right chart’s columns for 0 doses and 3+ doses are circled on the FB version. > > [https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/downloads/pertuss-surv-report-2014.pdf](https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/downloads/pertuss-surv-report-2014.pdf) Gosh, it’s almost as if the number of kids on the proper vaccine schedule is massively larger than the unvaccinated. Same stunt was pulled by statistically-impaired after the Disney breakout. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/250 "2018-03-26T17:29:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Kids diagnosed with autism are less likely than the general population to receive the recommended set of safe and protective vaccines—and so are their younger siblings, according to a new observational study in JAMA Pediatrics. > > The finding indicates that children with autism and their siblings are at an increased risk of contracting preventable—and dangerous—infectious diseases. It also suggests that a pernicious and completely bogus notion that vaccines cause autism may be spurring hesitancy in some parents. > > The authors of the study note in their conclusion: “Previous studies reported that a large proportion of parents of children with ASD [autism spectrum disorder] consider that vaccines contributed to their child’s ASD, and consequently they either changed or discontinued vaccination, suggesting that current strategies to address vaccine hesitancy have not been effective for parents of children with ASD.” > **[Amid dangerous vaccine-autism myth, kids with autism aren’t getting their shots](https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/03/parents-of-children-with-autism-may-be-more-likely-to-believe-vaccine-myths/)** > > There's no evidence of a link, yet it may be driving vaccine hesitance in parents. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/251 "2018-08-07T19:10:26Z")
So I just got the first dose of the new Shingrix shingles vax, with the second to follow in a few months. I did go through some nasty muscle and joint pain which is a common reaction to the shot. Advil took care of it when Tylenol wouldn’t. I made the mistake of texting my SIL (mother of the niece I’ve mentioned several times) about the pain, and she responded, “Don’t get the vaccine!” I replied that I already had (duh) and that a friend is suffering right now from shingles and another friend’s brother almost lost his eyesight to shingles. Oh, and I should mention that the SIL is a registered nurse. _sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/252 "2018-08-07T20:12:25Z")
I just got the first dose of Shingrix last Thursday. 2 days of bruise like pain around the injection site was all I noticed. Much better than Shingles. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/253 "2018-08-07T20:13:38Z")
My mother, then 88 years old, had a month’s worth of shingles. You don’t want to get it, folks. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/254 "2018-08-07T20:42:13Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Oh, SHIT! > > Guess what study they’re getting confused? 😃 > [Mayo Clinic trial: Massive blast of measles vaccine wipes out cancer](http://www.startribune.com/no-4-massive-blast-of-measles-vaccine-wipes-out-cancer-in-mayo-clinic-trial/259155541/) Now that’s funny! ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/255 "2018-10-23T03:43:25Z")
They have a massive measles problem in Europe, a record high of over 41,000 cases in the first six months of this year: [http://www.euro.who.int/en/media-centre/sections/press-releases/2018/measles-cases-hit-record-high-in-the-european-region](http://www.euro.who.int/en/media-centre/sections/press-releases/2018/measles-cases-hit-record-high-in-the-european-region) And considering the amount of travel between the U.S. and Europe it will spread to the U.S. if Americans don’t get vaccinated. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/256 "2018-10-23T10:55:56Z")
Got my flu shot at Walgreens. No real side effects except brief soreness at the injection site. I’m glad to have it early this year. It’s time to talk to my sister about gardasil for my niece. I’m prepared to throw down but I probably won’t have to. Great news about it in Australia recently, where mandatory gardasil shots are working toward making cervical cancer & HPV extinct. > **[The projected timeframe until cervical cancer elimination in Australia: a...](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30183-X/fulltext)** > > If high-coverage vaccination and screening is maintained, at an elimination threshold > of four new cases per 100 000 women annually, cervical cancer could be considered > to be eliminated as a public health problem in Australia within the next 20... We’re so lucky to have vaccines. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/257 "2018-10-24T02:42:02Z")
I’m going to get part 2 of the shingles vaccine this week. Glad to have it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/258 "2018-10-24T03:19:44Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Got my flu shot at Walgreens. No real side effects except brief soreness at the injection site. I’m glad to have it early this year. I miss working in South Korea at the public schools. Every year, all the students and staff got a free flu shot and free tuberculosis test. > [@](#): > > It’s time to talk to my sister about gardasil for my niece. I’m prepared to throw down but I probably won’t have to. Great news about it in Australia recently, where mandatory gardasil shots are working toward making cervical cancer & HPV extinct. > > [https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30183-X/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30183-X/fulltext) Just a couple of years ago, my wife had to get Gardasil because the national health scheme in South Korea requires it or your coverage, your entire coverage, lapses until you are in compliance. > [@](#): > > We’re so lucky to have vaccines. Darn straight we are. _Penn & Teller’s Bullshit_, Season 8, Episode 10, is a great explanation of why we are so lucky. Have I mentioned before that I have exactly zero, maybe even less, respect for anti-vaxers? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2018, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/259 "2018-10-24T04:27:56Z")
I got the second part of the shingles vaccine a couple of weeks ago. I didn’t notice much of anything after the shot. The injection area was sore but not for as long as from the first shot. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/260 "2018-10-25T02:56:43Z")
I got my first flu shot ever this Monday. I wasn’t against them or anything, but figured I didn’t need to, or would forget, etc. But with more and more antivax nonsense going around and working regularly with 70+ year olds, I got off my ass and got it done. I did it for the herd. 😃 I will say I have some fatigue right now and there’s a tender and warm lump where the shot was administered, but that should go away in a few days. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=14)