# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/301 "2018-11-28T23:10:15Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Because of better nutrition and clean water, silly. America was a veritable Third World country up until the early 60s, then suddenly they built modern sewers and water treatment facilities and good food became available, so bye-bye measles (measles incidence and deaths plummeting after vaccine introduction was just a coincidence). That can’t be right - because the anti-vaxxer morons say that the reason polio went from a menace to almost having vanished in the mid 1950s was the same reason - better water treatment. Can’t say I remember any change from back then. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2018, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/302 "2018-11-29T01:37:58Z")
But vaccines are so immoral! Don’tcha know they were made up from ground up dead baby parts handled by evil mad scientists in a creepy lab? > **[Where’s the Outrage? Vaccines and Aborted Fetal Tissue.](https://www.ageofautism.com/2016/06/wheres-the-outrage-vaccines-and-aborted-fetal-tissue.html)** > > By Cathy Jameson I’m sure many of our readers are aware of the vaccine ingredient I’ll mention in today’s post. Others have already written about the topic and covered the facts well. Living Whole and Children of God for Life,... ---
**Author:** ![larryh1012](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@larryh1012](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/larryh1012)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/303 "2018-11-30T01:00:55Z")
here’s the upshot… the amish do not vaccinate their children… 1 in 15000 rate for autism in their group, 1 in 100 autism in us with vaxxers. ---
**Author:** ![larryh1012](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@larryh1012](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/larryh1012)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/304 "2018-11-30T01:02:07Z")
mmr is the culprit for autism… why is it that a child will have almost 70 vaccines by the time he reaches 7? back in the 60 and 70’s maybe 5 shots at the most? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/305 "2018-11-30T01:11:30Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > here’s the upshot… the amish do not vaccinate their children… 1 in 15000 rate for autism in their group, 1 in 100 autism in us with vaxxers. [False on both counts](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-amish-dont-get-autism/). ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/306 "2018-11-30T01:26:18Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > back in the 60 and 70’s maybe 5 shots at the most? And like 0 in the 1760s and 1770s! And you don’t see anything about autism in any of the newspapers back then! It’s a big pharma conspiracy, I tells ya! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/307 "2018-11-30T01:30:19Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > mmr is the culprit for autism… why is it that a child will have almost 70 vaccines by the time he reaches 7? back in the 60 and 70’s maybe 5 shots at the most? What is the source for your claims? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/308 "2018-11-30T01:36:47Z")
Come on, you think he is going to answer? Nov 2018 join date? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/309 "2018-11-30T01:37:23Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > mmr is the culprit for autism… why is it that a child will have almost 70 vaccines by the time he reaches 7? back in the 60 and 70’s maybe 5 shots at the most? And why didn’t they have any iPhones back in the 80s? Huh? HUH? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/310 "2018-11-30T01:45:07Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > mmr is the culprit for autism… why is it that a child will have almost 70 vaccines by the time he reaches 7? back in the 60 and 70’s maybe 5 shots at the most? Why do you lie so blatantly? Do you hate children that much? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/311 "2018-11-30T01:57:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you hate children that much? Well, he hasn’t disputed the thread title. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/312 "2018-11-30T01:59:39Z")
You don’t fight ignorance by fighting the ignorant, but by addressing the roots of ignorance. Antivaxxers are just a symptom of a much larger set of issues, and while thier particular conclusions are dangerous, it is not like they are pulled out of thin air. Our current world is awash in information, but it’s impossible for any single person to vet all that information, and there is no easy way to determine which people or domains are trustworthy, because there is deep corruption and very few examples of true integrity. Antivaxxers are just a tiny little bud on a much larger system of deeply embedded hyrad like running roots. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/313 "2018-11-30T02:05:10Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > You don’t fight ignorance by fighting the ignorant, but by addressing the roots of ignorance. Antivaxxers are just a symptom of a much larger set of issues, and while thier particular conclusions are dangerous, it is not like they are pulled out of thin air. Our current world is awash in information, but it’s impossible for any single person to vet all that information, and there is no easy way to determine which people or domains are trustworthy, because there is deep corruption and very few examples of true integrity. Antivaxxers are just a tiny little bud on a much larger system of deeply embedded hyrad like running roots. No. You’re essentially claiming that it is reasonable to be a conspiracy theorist. Basic critical thinking skills are sufficient for anyone to ascertain with complete certainty that vaccines are safe and effective, do not cause autism, and have saved millions of lives; and that we landed on the moon. And sometimes you do have to fight the ignorant. There are loud hard-core anti-vaxxers who did not arrive at their view rationally, and who have no interest in facts or evidence. Ridiculing them is important and necessary, because when young parents may really be trying to figure out what’s right, it’s important to expose these lying scumbags for what they are. ---
**Author:** ![larryh1012](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@larryh1012](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/larryh1012)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/314 "2018-11-30T02:08:30Z")
explain the sudden rise in rates of autism in the last 15 years? or 20 should I say… do not attack or divert… just corroborate the reason for the frequency increase in autism ---
**Author:** ![larryh1012](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@larryh1012](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/larryh1012)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/315 "2018-11-30T02:11:05Z")
imagine you’re in a debating competition, you are debating against the premise that vaccines could cause a sudden rate increase in autism cases, so prove your case? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/316 "2018-11-30T02:12:22Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > why the sudden rise in autism rates in the last 15-20 years? convince me Convince us that you aren’t just talking shit-what are your cites? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/317 "2018-11-30T02:12:59Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > why the sudden rise in autism rates in the last 15-20 years? convince me Better understanding of what constitutes autism and a change in diagnosing criteria. Disorders such as Asperger’s are now on the autism spectrum. That alone increases numbers. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/318 "2018-11-30T02:27:39Z")
Trying to teach a pig to sing, friends. Ain’t no arguing with True Belief. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/319 "2018-11-30T02:31:29Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > imagine you’re in a debating competition… Picture yourself in a boat on a river With tangerine trees and marmalade skies Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly A girl with kaleidoscope eyes Cellophane flowers of yellow and green Towering over your head Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes And she’s gone. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/320 "2018-11-30T02:42:52Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Come on, you think he is going to answer? Nov 2018 join date? Specifically 11-29-2018 join date and four posts, all of which are in this very thread. Make of that what you will. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=17)