# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/341 "2018-12-02T00:21:58Z")
Hey, **Larry**. You’re behind the times. It’s no longer autism that vaccines cause. Vaccines cause GAY people. Know why? It’s because people who are vaccinated get to live long enough to discover their own sexuality. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2018, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/342 "2018-12-02T02:38:28Z")
Vaccines cause you to get all old and wrinkly, and make your hair turn grey. Yuck. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/343 "2018-12-02T16:14:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Vaccines cause you to get all old and wrinkly, and make your hair turn grey. Yuck. Vaccines cause cancer. Seriously, how many people get cancer that would have died of smallpox before vaccines? Every time we save a child from dying of a childhood illness, we increase the chances that they die of an age related illness. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/344 "2018-12-02T16:20:46Z")
Evil vaccines are keeping me away from Jesus! ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/345 "2018-12-03T15:58:33Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > There are more homosexuals today than there were before vaccines became popular. > > VACCINES GIVE PEOPLE “TEH GAY”!!! > > (I know someone who actually believes this about abortion causing a “hostile uterine environment” that makes future children more likely to be gay) > [@Locrian](#): > > Hey, **Larry**. You’re behind the times. It’s no longer autism that vaccines cause. Vaccines cause GAY people. Know why? It’s because people who are vaccinated get to live long enough to discover their own sexuality. 😃 I guess vaccines also cause repetitive posts. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/346 "2018-12-03T17:22:44Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > Depends on what you mean by “conspiracy”, which is a weasel term that means whatever whoever is using it wants it to mean. My main point is that it is sort of hypocritical to make fun of people for not believing experts, when the whole problem began due to abuses of misinformation by a formerly trusted expert. People aren’t misled because they are stupid, or lack common sense, they are misled because our current way of life is built upon rewarding the creators of misinformation, and discovering the truth is hard work and requires training and practice. It also requires a huge amount of resolve and vigilance to navigate the line between cynacism and optimism without spinning off into either naivety or paranoia. People fail because being a person is difficult. Is it better to help navigate the obstacles or kick them back into the hole they got stuck in? I must disagree. A trusted expert. _ **A** _ trusted expert. As in singular. And he couldn’t have been trusted by the anti vaxxers because, really, they had no idea who he was. They just knew he said what they already believed. As opposed the massive number of experts who contradicted him. And they still cite him after he has been _thoroughly_ discredited. Not because they trust him, but because he said what they already believed. As opposed the _massive_ number of actual experts who contradicted him. They got stuck in the hole because they believe they are right and reject any and all evidence that says they may be wrong. Fighting ignorance is one thing. Fighting willful ignorance is something different. As the saying goes ‘You Can’t Reason Your Way Out of Something You Didn’t Reason Into’. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/347 "2018-12-03T17:33:38Z")
You guys know that anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children, right? I mean, think about that…it’s true. They are ignorant scumbags that kill children. Why even attempt to debate with one, especially when every one of his assertions is so easily debunked that it literally takes less than a minute to find the cites. Every one of his assertions has in fact been debunked within a few posts. They are ignorant (seriously) scumbags (definitely) that kill children (by their ridiculous stupid assertions based on ignorance and that kill a lot of children, especially in the 3rd world). Why debate fucks like that?? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/348 "2018-12-03T19:09:57Z")
> [@XT](#): > > You guys know that anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children, right? I mean, think about that…it’s true. They are ignorant scumbags that kill children. Why even attempt to debate with one, especially when every one of his assertions is so easily debunked that it literally takes less than a minute to find the cites. Every one of his assertions has in fact been debunked within a few posts. > > They are ignorant (seriously) scumbags (definitely) that kill children (by their ridiculous stupid assertions based on ignorance and that kill a lot of children, especially in the 3rd world). Why debate fucks like that?? Sometimes it isn’t a debate per se-it is more a case of not letting dangerous misinformation stand unopposed in a public forum. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/349 "2018-12-03T19:17:55Z")
> [@XT](#): > > …Why even attempt to debate with one… As Czarcasm says, the reason to respond (up to a point) is not through any expectation of changing the mind of an ignorant scumbag who cares nothing about facts or evidence, who seeks only to bolster his preposterous conspiracy theory even if it costs the lives of thousands of children. It’s for the benefit of parents who may also be reading and may not be familiar with the issues, those with a genuine interest in the real facts about vaccines. ---
**Author:** ![larryh1012](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@larryh1012](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/larryh1012)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/350 "2018-12-04T01:09:03Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > When did you stop beating your wife? > > See, we can also make up (I hope this is made up) totally false premises and draw stupid conclusions too! when did you stop fkng your wife, after the honeymoon? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/351 "2018-12-04T01:23:19Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > when did you stop fkng your wife, after the honeymoon? Well, yes. Almost by definition. Everybody who currently has or ever had a wife has either stopped or will stop fucking their wife after their honeymoon (well, except for those poor souls who die before or during their honeymoons). This is basic logic. No matter how well or poorly the marriage goes, everybody will eventually die and thus stop doing much of anything, much less fucking. I suppose this was your attempt at a clever retort. It amply demonstrates the intelligence we’ve come to expect based on your other posts. ---
**Author:** ![larryh1012](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@larryh1012](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/larryh1012)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/352 "2018-12-04T03:50:04Z")
cite a study, that where one group is vaccinated against whatever e.g., measles, chickenpox, shingles etc, and the control is un-vaccinated. The study should be well designed, where in the control and the test subjects are similar etc, now… cite the study where the vaccinated group after a period of time…e.g., 1 year 2 years etc, had no occurrences of the disease because of vaccination. but the control group contracted the disease at a normal rate. IS THERE SUCH A STUDY? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/353 "2018-12-04T03:54:31Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > cite a study, that where one group is vaccinated against whatever e.g., measles, chickenpox, shingles etc, and the control is un-vaccinated. The study should be well designed, where in the control and the test subjects are similar etc, > now… cite the study where the vaccinated group after a period of time…e.g., 1 year 2 years etc, had no occurrences of the disease because of vaccination. but the control group contracted the disease at a normal rate. > IS THERE SUCH A STUDY? Since there’s been a vast reduction in the various diseases that are vaccinated for, what would you say has caused the reduction? The sort of study you want would be unethical as children cannot make the decision to not be vaccinated and risk the heath effects of contracting the disease. But what would you know of ethics? ---
**Author:** ![larryh1012](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@larryh1012](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/larryh1012)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/354 "2018-12-04T04:02:34Z")
you cannot account for other reason/s for the reduction in "vaccinated for " diseases? you would do well living under kruschev, putin, castro, you would be a good comrade. The party welcomes you, for your lack of critical thinking… you follow the party lines completely. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/355 "2018-12-04T04:05:25Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > you cannot account for other reason/s for the reduction in "vaccinated for " diseases? you would do well living under kruschev, putin, castro, you would be a good comrade. The party welcomes you, for your lack of critical thinking… you follow the party lines completely. What, pray tell, oh fucked of mind, would be those other reasons? ---
**Author:** ![larryh1012](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@larryh1012](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/larryh1012)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/356 "2018-12-04T04:08:23Z")
where the fk is the vaccine for cancer? for aids? for the common cold? what’s taking so long, junior? where are the vaccines that really make a difference? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/357 "2018-12-04T04:14:01Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > where the fk is the vaccine for cancer? for aids? for the common cold? what’s taking so long, junior? where are the vaccines that really make a difference? There are hundreds of viruses that cause the common cold. Do you have any idea of the complexity of developing a new vaccine? Do you know what AIDS means? A vaccine works through the immune system. There are numerous causes of cancer, few(if any) of which are bacterial or viral in nature. You can’t make a vaccine against, say, tobacco smoke or asbestos. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/358 "2018-12-04T04:27:51Z")
Oh, for fuck’s sake…LARRY! You’re a nutcase. Get help. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/359 "2018-12-04T04:54:50Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > cite a study, that where one group is vaccinated against whatever e.g., measles, chickenpox, shingles etc, and the control is un-vaccinated. The study should be well designed, where in the control and the test subjects are similar etc, > now… cite the study where the vaccinated group after a period of time…e.g., 1 year 2 years etc, had no occurrences of the disease because of vaccination. but the control group contracted the disease at a normal rate. > IS THERE SUCH A STUDY? Because the benefits of vaccines are well understood, and it would be unethical for doctors to expose the control population to a higher risk of getting the diseases. And it isn’t necessary. When I was in kindergarten I got one of the first Salk polio vaccines. Before this time my mother and others of her generation lived in fear of polio outbreaks. Afterwards, no fear. Care to explain that? ---
**Author:** ![yendis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ed8c4c/32.png) [@yendis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yendis)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/360 "2018-12-04T08:21:02Z")
> [@larryh1012](#): > > you cannot account for other reason/s for the reduction in "vaccinated for " diseases? you would do well living under kruschev, putin, castro, you would be a good comrade. The party welcomes you, for your lack of critical thinking… you follow the party lines completely. Oh please, communist based insults is so 1918. Get up to speed with 21st century fear mongering and call us terrorists or something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=19)