# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/441 "2019-01-26T01:30:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Autism activists are concerned that the appointment of vaccine skeptics to a newly formed [Minnesota] state council gives credibility to views the state has struggled to dispel. > > The MN Autism Council was formed last fall by Sen. Jim Abeler, R-Anoka, to discuss autism and advise the Legislature on public policy. > **[Vaccine skeptics on MN Autism Council touch off debate](https://www.startribune.com/vaccine-skeptics-on-mn-autism-council-touch-off-debate/504779122/)** > > Makeup of state autism group alarms advocates. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/442 "2019-01-26T03:11:49Z")
## The niece who won’t vaccinate strikes again, with a FB share from the person who wrote this: The political divide has never been worse… So, don’t mind me while I throw some fuel on this fire 😬🔥 This took quite a while to sift through but I had to do it. I just went through EVERY single vaccine bill across the country and looked into who authored them, the bad AND the good. The DANGEROUS bills include things like: ➖allowing doctors to administer HPV and Hep B vaccine to minors without parental consent ➖forced vaccination and medical treatment under certain circumstances. ➖requiring a signature from your doctor to obtain a religious exemption ➖mandating of the HPV vaccine ➖various forms of tracking and registering vaccination status in public and private databases The ENCOURAGING bills include: ➖adding religious exemptions for school and hospital employees ➖requiring healthcare providers to show parents the vaccine package and insert (hello, informed consent.. 🙄) ➖requiring notifying parents of the use of aborted fetal cells in certain vaccines ➖making it unlawful to mandate vaccines for healthcare workers ➖strengthening and expanding medical exemptions ➖allowing for titers to be drawn and used as proof of immunity. 21 dangerous bills with 56 authors 🔹47 of them Democrats 🔺9 Republicans 11 encouraging bills with 22 authors 🔺21 of them Republican and 🔹 1 Democrat I cannot tell you how many time I have been told that this isn’t a party line issue. I can’t tell you how many times my liberal friends have argued with me that the Conservative legislators are just as dangerous and won’t support us in this fight either. The proof is in the pudding guys. 👆🏼🤷🏻♀ 85% of the authors are Democrats on the bills to take away your right to refuse vaccines. 95% of the authors are Republicans on the bills that support our right to choose. These 👏🏼 Are 👏🏼 The 👏🏼 FACTS 👏🏼 If Sanctuary cities, universal healthcare, and unions are more important the body autonomy and parental rights, by all means, keep voting blue. [https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx](https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx) The bills she is referring to are on this page–scroll down: [https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3ERX9OeuxlKSzKSeOZ6aOguh1q8jsJ5J3YyJE4KysMvqEySMc1DbooZaE](https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3ERX9OeuxlKSzKSeOZ6aOguh1q8jsJ5J3YyJE4KysMvqEySMc1DbooZaE) ---
**Author:** ![Karen\_Lingel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karen_lingel/32/18649_2.png) [@Karen\_Lingel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karen_Lingel)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/443 "2019-01-26T03:16:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Homeopathetics are so smart because they only use microscopic amount of their brain cells. I’m stealing this. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/444 "2019-01-26T09:50:08Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > ## The niece who won’t vaccinate strikes again, with a FB share from the person who wrote this: > > The political divide has never been worse… So, don’t mind me while I throw some fuel on this fire 😬🔥 > > This took quite a while to sift through but I had to do it. > > I just went through EVERY single vaccine bill across the country and looked into who authored them, the bad AND the good. > > The DANGEROUS bills include things like: > > ➖allowing doctors to administer HPV and Hep B vaccine to minors without parental consent > ➖forced vaccination and medical treatment under certain circumstances. > ➖requiring a signature from your doctor to obtain a religious exemption > ➖mandating of the HPV vaccine > ➖various forms of tracking and registering vaccination status in public and private databases > > The ENCOURAGING bills include: > > ➖adding religious exemptions for school and hospital employees > ➖requiring healthcare providers to show parents the vaccine package and insert (hello, informed consent… 🙄) > ➖requiring notifying parents of the use of aborted fetal cells in certain vaccines > ➖making it unlawful to mandate vaccines for healthcare workers > ➖strengthening and expanding medical exemptions > ➖allowing for titers to be drawn and used as proof of immunity. > > 21 dangerous bills with 56 authors > 🔹47 of them Democrats 🔺9 Republicans > > 11 encouraging bills with 22 authors > 🔺21 of them Republican and 🔹 1 Democrat > > I cannot tell you how many time I have been told that this isn’t a party line issue. > > I can’t tell you how many times my liberal friends have argued with me that the Conservative legislators are just as dangerous and won’t support us in this fight either. > > The proof is in the pudding guys. 👆🏼🤷🏻♀ > > 85% of the authors are Democrats on the bills to take away your right to refuse vaccines. > > 95% of the authors are Republicans on the bills that support our right to choose. > > These 👏🏼 Are 👏🏼 The 👏🏼 FACTS 👏🏼 > > If Sanctuary cities, universal healthcare, and unions are more important the body autonomy and parental rights, by all means, keep voting blue. > > [https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx](https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx) > > The bills she is referring to are on this page–scroll down: > > [https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3ERX9OeuxlKSzKSeOZ6aOguh1q8jsJ5J3YyJE4KysMvqEySMc1DbooZaE](https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3ERX9OeuxlKSzKSeOZ6aOguh1q8jsJ5J3YyJE4KysMvqEySMc1DbooZaE) Good Lord. Her kids are homeschooled? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/445 "2019-01-26T16:46:43Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > ## The niece who won’t vaccinate strikes again, with a FB share from the person who wrote this: > > The political divide has never been worse… So, don’t mind me while I throw some fuel on this fire 😬🔥 > > This took quite a while to sift through but I had to do it. > > I just went through EVERY single vaccine bill across the country and looked into who authored them, the bad AND the good. > > The DANGEROUS bills include things like: > > ➖allowing doctors to administer HPV and Hep B vaccine to minors without parental consent > ➖forced vaccination and medical treatment under certain circumstances. > ➖requiring a signature from your doctor to obtain a religious exemption > ➖mandating of the HPV vaccine > ➖various forms of tracking and registering vaccination status in public and private databases > > The ENCOURAGING bills include: > > ➖adding religious exemptions for school and hospital employees > ➖requiring healthcare providers to show parents the vaccine package and insert (hello, informed consent… 🙄) > ➖requiring notifying parents of the use of aborted fetal cells in certain vaccines > ➖making it unlawful to mandate vaccines for healthcare workers > ➖strengthening and expanding medical exemptions > ➖allowing for titers to be drawn and used as proof of immunity. > > 21 dangerous bills with 56 authors > 🔹47 of them Democrats 🔺9 Republicans > > 11 encouraging bills with 22 authors > 🔺21 of them Republican and 🔹 1 Democrat > > I cannot tell you how many time I have been told that this isn’t a party line issue. > > I can’t tell you how many times my liberal friends have argued with me that the Conservative legislators are just as dangerous and won’t support us in this fight either. > > The proof is in the pudding guys. 👆🏼🤷🏻♀ > > 85% of the authors are Democrats on the bills to take away your right to refuse vaccines. > > 95% of the authors are Republicans on the bills that support our right to choose. > > These 👏🏼 Are 👏🏼 The 👏🏼 FACTS 👏🏼 > > If Sanctuary cities, universal healthcare, and unions are more important the body autonomy and parental rights, by all means, keep voting blue. > > [https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx](https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx) > > The bills she is referring to are on this page–scroll down: > > [https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3ERX9OeuxlKSzKSeOZ6aOguh1q8jsJ5J3YyJE4KysMvqEySMc1DbooZaE](https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3ERX9OeuxlKSzKSeOZ6aOguh1q8jsJ5J3YyJE4KysMvqEySMc1DbooZaE) How can you argue with those emoji’s, really? I didn’t realize that the party lines were as stark as that, actually, I know there are enough on the left that are anti-vax as well as the right. Glad to see that at least the representives on the left aren’t quite as dumb about it at the moment. I agree with all the “dangerous bills”, and the only “encouraging bill” that I do not fully oppose is the titers one, but I’ve always thought that was rather pointless. I’ve never seen a titer test that didn’t cost much more than the vaccine it was testing for, so if the conspiracy is that they are just giving vaccines to make money, then they should be even more motivated to recommend titers rather than vaccines anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/446 "2019-01-26T16:53:04Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Good Lord. Her kids are homeschooled? Well, as long as they’re home, and not out in public where they could infect people. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/447 "2019-01-26T17:32:17Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, as long as they’re home, and not out in public where they could infect people. The oldest just turned five, so I think at this point she’s the only one that’s really being homeschooled. The next one is two and a half, and the baby was just born on Halloween. But yes, they will all be homeschooled because of the vaccine issue, and the parents are very religious and don’t want the kids learning things like the Earth is really old, and they think public education is a big expensive failure anyway. The kids do go out in public, though. They go to the store, restaurants, the park, other people’s houses, Church, Etc. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/448 "2019-01-26T17:46:48Z")
[Measles outbreak grows in Pacific Northwest anti-vaccination ‘hot spot’](https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/427095-measles-outbreak-grows-in-pacific-northwest-anti-vaccination-hot-spot) > [@](#): > > As of Friday, public health officials had confirmed 30 cases of measles and nine suspected cases in southwest Washington, across the Columbia River from Portland. > > The Clark County Washington Public Health Department said 26 of the confirmed cases were not immunized against measles. The other four cases had not verified patients’ immunization status. > > Twenty-one of the cases were in children under 10 years old. Officials reported that there are eight cases of measles in teenagers and one who is an adult. One of the regional hospitals is banning people under 12, people with any signs of measles, unvaccinated people, and immunocompromised people from visiting the labor and delivery, mother-baby, and neonate units. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/449 "2019-01-26T18:04:11Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > The kids do go out in public, though. They go to the store, restaurants, the park, other people’s houses, Church, Etc. The last time I heard the distinctive Whooping Cough cough was at a McDonald’s playland. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/450 "2019-01-26T20:25:56Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > The bills she is referring to are on this page–scroll down: > > [https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3ERX9OeuxlKSzKSeOZ6aOguh1q8jsJ5J3YyJE4KysMvqEySMc1DbooZaE](https://nvicadvocacy.org/members/Home.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3ERX9OeuxlKSzKSeOZ6aOguh1q8jsJ5J3YyJE4KysMvqEySMc1DbooZaE) It appears you have to register on their site to get access to that page. I really wonder what some of the “Dangerous” bills say. Some I get - like requiring HPV, or requiring a doctor’s signature, which shows that the person requesting a religious exemption knows the consequences. Others I doubt. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/451 "2019-01-26T20:53:56Z")
To be ignorant is one thing, but to spread it with passion and purpose is quite another. If anti-vaxxers want to just quietly not get their children vaccinated, I still have a problem with it, but the least they could do is shut up and keep their ignorance to themselves. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/452 "2019-01-26T23:31:51Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > The last time I heard the distinctive Whooping Cough cough was at a McDonald’s playland. Fortunately, pertussis is not very contagious at all, and there is virtually no chance that any other children coming into contact with the surfaces that the kid you heard was spewing on will come into contact with the disease. ETA: Hmmm, that really needs a /s. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/453 "2019-01-26T23:52:00Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > To be ignorant is one thing, but to spread it with passion and purpose is quite another. If anti-vaxxers want to just quietly not get their children vaccinated, I still have a problem with it, but the least they could do is shut up and keep their ignorance to themselves. Now see, I feel the exact opposite. I’d rather know who isn’t vaccinated, so I can avoid them. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/454 "2019-01-27T04:52:17Z")
Here in Washington state, where the number of measles cases has risen to 32, the governor has declared [a state of emergency](https://q13fox.com/2019/01/26/washington-is-under-a-state-of-emergency-as-measles-cases-soar-past-30/). I know the anti-vaxxers will shrug this off, but shit’s gettin’ real here in Washington. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/455 "2019-01-27T12:04:12Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Now see, I feel the exact opposite. I’d rather know who isn’t vaccinated, so I can avoid them. Well…you have a point. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/456 "2019-01-27T13:11:04Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Fortunately, pertussis is not very contagious at all Have to disagree here - pertussis (whooping cough) is highly contagious via the respiratory route (inhaling micro-droplets from those coughing near you: untreated victims are capable of spreading the disease for about a three-week period). > **[Pertussis Causes and How It Spreads | CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/causes-transmission.html)** > > Pertussis Causes and Transmission Spread via contaminated surfaces (i.e. touching something a person infected with pertussis coughed on and then putting your fingers to your nose) should be less of a hazard but still a potential route of spread. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/457 "2019-01-27T14:34:08Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Have to disagree here - pertussis (whooping cough) is highly contagious… The dry sarcasm was a bit too dry: > [@k9bfriender](#): > > …Hmmm, that really needs a /s. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/458 "2019-01-28T20:44:51Z")
Sorry, missed that one. To make up for it, here’s an entertaining bill being pushed by an Arizona state senator to mandate telling parents about all the nasty things in vaccines, like formaldehyde, aborted fetal tissue, dioxin, used auto parts etc. etc. \*“Boyer said he’s not necessarily opposed to vaccinations for children and sidestepped questions of whether he personally believes vaccines are harmful.” “But he said there has been an explosion in the number of vaccines that are scheduled to be given to children, going from five in the 1960s to more than 70 now.”\* > **[Arizona lawmaker: All ingredients, side effects must be disclosed before any...](https://tucson.com/news/local/arizona-lawmaker-says-parents-should-get-list-of-ingredients-in/article_16b8ab56-eb07-51dc-b666-10ce6d15bd67.html)** > > Sen. Paul Boyer, R-Phoenix, said he’s not necessarily opposed to vaccinations for children and sidestepped questions of whether he personally believes vaccines are harmful. It’s a favorite antivaxer tactic to exaggerate the number of vaccines kids get by counting the total number of doses of vaccines between birth and age 18 and pretending they’re separate vaccines. It’s as if you were prescribed an antibiotic pill to be taken twice daily for two weeks and someone told you “Omigod! That doctor is giving you 28 antibiotics!!!” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/459 "2019-01-29T17:26:10Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Have to disagree here - pertussis (whooping cough) is highly contagious via the respiratory route (inhaling micro-droplets from those coughing near you: untreated victims are capable of spreading the disease for about a three-week period). > > [Pertussis Causes and How It Spreads | CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/causes-transmission.html) > > Spread via contaminated surfaces (i.e. touching something a person infected with pertussis coughed on and then putting your fingers to your nose) should be less of a hazard but still a potential route of spread. Yeah, even with my edit, that post still called up Poe’s Law for a delightful chat. When my friend had his first baby, I went and visited. I let out a bit of a cough, because I was a smoker, and suddenly was subject to the third degree about my health and when my last Tdap shot was. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/460 "2019-01-29T22:53:40Z")
What do you know? Over in [The flu sucks](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=869547) thread, kanicbird is touting anti-vax, specifically anti-influenza vaccine nonsense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=24)