# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![rsat3acr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@rsat3acr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsat3acr)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/681 "2019-03-14T00:35:46Z")
> [@Triskadecamus](#): > > Those who consider information an aid in making decisions about things in general, and avoiding risk of autism for your children, consider this [followup of several other large cohort studies on vaccination outcomes.](https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2727726/measles-mumps-rubella-vaccination-autism-nationwide-cohort-study) > Check out the funding, as well, and the scholarly credentials. Then ask the anti-vax community to show you their credentials. > > Tris > > * * * > > It takes effort to be informed. Being mis-informed is much easier. Well Jenny McCarthy was in Playboy so doesn’t that count as being published?:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/682 "2019-03-14T01:33:14Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The antivax crowd consider credentialed authoritues to be “in on the scam”. And probably the credentialing authorities as well, if necessary. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/683 "2019-03-14T04:29:38Z")
> [@Triskadecamus](#): > > Those who consider information an aid in making decisions about things in general, and avoiding risk of autism for your children, consider this [followup of several other large cohort studies on vaccination outcomes.](https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2727726/measles-mumps-rubella-vaccination-autism-nationwide-cohort-study) > Check out the funding, as well, and the scholarly credentials. Then ask the anti-vax community to show you their credentials. > > Tris > > * * * > > It takes effort to be informed. Being mis-informed is much easier. Maybe it’s because I’m tired, but I think I’m missing something here. One of the two sponsors was Novo Nordisk, a pharmaceutical company. Doesn’t that feed into the anti-vaxx propaganda? Sorry if I’m missing something obvious. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/684 "2019-03-14T05:40:49Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Yes. I’m mentally adding photos of people in opisthotonos to the proposed “show them the results” idea to get parents to vaccinate. That may work on some folks; I hope it does. But the anti vax crowd is already downplaying what happened to the boy in Oregon, claiming that if the parents had allowed the wound to bleed a bit and be exposed to oxygen instead of closing it up, the kid would have been fine. A Certain Family Member had already said this a while back on an FB page: " I had a family member freak out on me about refusing the Tdap because “what about tetanus?” They were speechless after I explained how the vaccine is useless for recent cuts. They glazed over when I started in about how it can’t survive if exposed to oxygen (meaning active bleeding or washing with water)…Its anaerobic, so if it’s a cut that bleeds you’re at a much lower risk than if it doesn’t bleed. Diabetics should have more caution because of this but the average person doesn’t have that risk factor…It needs the object that you cut yourself with to be deprived of oxygen (buried under the dirt) and also the cut/puncture to be lacking in oxygen as well. Blood naturally carries oxygen to the cells so that’s how it helps prevent infection, along with water (oxygen rich) will help avoid the spores from producing the toxin. But in the event that it’s contracted an antitoxin would be more appropriate than the vaccine." And then there’s this page and a warning about the Horrible Fate that could befall you if you get the tetanus vax: > **[Tetanus Vaccine Causes a New Disease Known as Antiphospholipid Syndrome](https://healthimpactnews.com/2013/tetanus-vaccine-causes-a-new-disease-known-as-antiphospholipid-syndrome/)** > > Skull in Pupil, by Doug Wheller, Filter applied. by Heidi Stevenson Gaia-Health.com The vaccine junta is not only unconcerned with vaccine-induced diseases, it’s massively gearing up this vaccine arms race against the human race. It’s known that... I’m telling you, there is no way to reach these people. No freaking way. They know better than the doctors and nurses (“they’re all about the money!”), and you cannot convince them otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/685 "2019-03-14T06:34:02Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > I’m telling you, there is no way to reach these people. No freaking way. They know better than the doctors and nurses (“they’re all about the money!”), and you cannot convince them otherwise. Anti-vaxxers are conspiracy theory nutjobs. That’s all they are. They buy into the theory because they want to. Quiz them about any other nutjob conspiracy nonsense and you’ll find out they buy into one or more of those, too. They are willfully, intentionally, actively, and proudly stupid. It is not ignorance at play here. If it were ignorance, education and exposure to facts and reason would work. It is stupidity. They are fucking stupid. And they’re dangerously fucking stupid. Here’s how dangerous they are: one of the leading proponents of the most asinine CT is now the fucking president of the United States of America. It’s not going to get better with those idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/686 "2019-03-14T07:45:15Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > One of the two sponsors was Novo Nordisk, a pharmaceutical company. Doesn’t that feed into the anti-vaxx propaganda? Novo Nordisk Foundation had no access to the planning, designing, or review of the study, all the information came from the National Health Service. The qualifications of the anti-vax supporters don’t include . . . well, anyone. Jenny McCarthy, and Dr. Wakefield are it. Dr. Wakefield’s co-researchers have all withdrawn their support. Jenny McCarthy has at least shut up. She should be publicly discussing the error of her information, but hey, that ain’t happening. Tris * * * The fine print matters. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/687 "2019-03-14T23:52:58Z")
> [@Triskadecamus](#): > > Novo Nordisk Foundation had no access to the planning, designing, or review of the study, all the information came from the National Health Service. > > The qualifications of the anti-vax supporters don’t include . . . well, anyone. Jenny McCarthy, and Dr. Wakefield are it. Dr. Wakefield’s co-researchers have all withdrawn their support. Jenny McCarthy has at least shut up. She should be publicly discussing the error of her information, but hey, that ain’t happening. > > Tris > > * * * > > The fine print matters. Oh, I agree with you, but the anti-vaxx mob would discount any study sponsored by any pharmaceutical company. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/688 "2019-03-14T23:57:42Z")
> [@Triskadecamus](#): > > Novo Nordisk Foundation had no access to the planning, designing, or review of the study, all the information came from the National Health Service. Novo Nordisk is not a pharmaceutical company. The foundation owns a drug company, a biotech company and has shares in many other companies (according to Wikipedia), while awarding grants for studies in a variety of areas. Of course, that’s plenty for conspiracy theorists to grind their teeth about. In other news from the bizarre world of antivaxers, the group Age of Autism has published an open letter to Washington state legislators, urging them to veto a bill that would ban “philosophical” exemptions to vaccination. The letter refers to vaccination as “medical rape”. Excerpt: _“Rape is when someone uses force to penetrate another against their will. The force can be physical, coercion or abuse of authority. If SB5841 passes, many of us will be saying NO, we will try to get away from our assailant, but because of abuse of authority and coercion we will be medically penetrated anyway.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/689 "2019-03-15T00:01:13Z")
If it’s not a pharmaceutical company, why does the very first sentence of the Wikipedia article about it say, “Novo Nordisk A/S is a Danish multinational pharmaceutical company headquartered in Bagsværd, Denmark, with production facilities in eight countries, and affiliates or offices in 75 countries.” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/690 "2019-03-15T00:30:26Z")
Because, > [@](#): > > The **Novo Nordisk Foundation** is an international foundation focusing on medical treatment and research. It is situated in Denmark. > > **The Foundation is the primary owner of Novo Nordisk A/S and NovoZymes A/S** through its subsidiary company called Novo Holdings A/S. Aside from Novo Nordisk and Novozymes, the foundation is also a major shareholder in more than 75 other companies. {…}[RIGHT][CITE](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novo_Nordisk_Foundation)[/RIGHT] CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/691 "2019-03-15T00:36:15Z")
The suggestion was that the anti-vaccine crowd would discount a study sponsored by a pharmaceutical company. Do you think they’re going to believe a study sponsored by a foundation that owns a pharmaceutical company? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/692 "2019-03-15T00:46:04Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The suggestion was that the anti-vaccine crowd would discount a study sponsored by a pharmaceutical company. Do you think they’re going to believe a study sponsored by a foundation that owns a pharmaceutical company? Do _you_ honestly believe the ‘anti-vaccine crowd’ is going to accept anything that goes against their narrative? I mean if Andrew Wakefield himself were to say he got it all wrong that would simply be proof that ‘they’ got to him! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/693 "2019-03-15T03:20:58Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Anti-vaxxers are conspiracy theory nutjobs. That’s all they are. They buy into the theory because they want to. Quiz them about any other nutjob conspiracy nonsense and you’ll find out they buy into one or more of those, too. They are willfully, intentionally, actively, and proudly stupid. It is not ignorance at play here. If it were ignorance, education and exposure to facts and reason would work. It is stupidity. They are fucking stupid. And they’re dangerously fucking stupid. Here’s how dangerous they are: one of the leading proponents of the most asinine CT is now the fucking president of the United States of America. It’s not going to get better with those idiots. Well, the family member in question is also a fan of one of the Q Anon Facebook pages, so what you said above makes perfect sense. All I can say at this point is that if anything ever happened to those unvaccinated kids, my niece’s kids, I would not forgive . ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/694 "2019-03-15T04:08:48Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Well, the family member in question is also a fan of one of the Q Anon Facebook pages, so what you said above makes perfect sense. > > All I can say at this point is that if anything ever happened to those unvaccinated kids, my niece’s kids, I would not forgive . Q Anon? Dare I ask? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/695 "2019-03-15T05:45:20Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Q Anon? Dare I ask? > **[QAnon, the scarily popular pro-Trump conspiracy theory, explained](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/1/17253444/qanon-trump-conspiracy-theory-4chan-explainer)** > > How a conspiracy theory that Trump (and Robert Mueller) were saving the world from cannibal pedophiles got from 4chan to Trump rallies to Donald Trump himself. Also, [https://8ch.net/qresearch/welcome.html?fbclid=IwAR3Khs4bHx-Oi6hv7JYfVsUftkJg7lZm2A-6P5ZkXhk0aZ1T3FNobVhsL-Y](https://8ch.net/qresearch/welcome.html?fbclid=IwAR3Khs4bHx-Oi6hv7JYfVsUftkJg7lZm2A-6P5ZkXhk0aZ1T3FNobVhsL-Y) The latter one is the page on Facebook that the family member likes. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/696 "2019-03-15T06:32:16Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Also, > > [https://8ch.net/qresearch/welcome.html?fbclid=IwAR3Khs4bHx-Oi6hv7JYfVsUftkJg7lZm2A-6P5ZkXhk0aZ1T3FNobVhsL-Y](https://8ch.net/qresearch/welcome.html?fbclid=IwAR3Khs4bHx-Oi6hv7JYfVsUftkJg7lZm2A-6P5ZkXhk0aZ1T3FNobVhsL-Y) > > The latter one is the page on Facebook that the family member likes. “newfags”? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/697 "2019-03-15T06:53:43Z")
It’s a \*chan thing. Everybody is some sort of fag. That’s the general level of discourse on most \*chans. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/698 "2019-03-15T07:05:37Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > It’s a \*chan thing. Everybody is some sort of fag. > > That’s the general level of discourse on most \*chans. That’s simply moronic. I guess I should expect no better. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/699 "2019-03-15T07:09:51Z")
For a full dose of Qrazy, take a look at [this](https://www.stockgumshoe.com/2018/08/microblog-q-and-qanon-how-will-investments-be-affected-if-they-are-real): > [@](#): > > MESSAGES. When Trump wishes to call attention to something or confirm clues given on qanon.pub, he will often do it by the verbal repetition of a number that confirms the clue given on qanon.pub. > > The more frequently the number is repeated, the more certain you can be that a message is being sent. In practice, if the number is repeated 2 or 3 times, there is a message, even if we are not always able to understand the message; > > So listen to this 51 second excerpt from his speech this week in Florida, and count how many times he mentions “17”, and see if you think it is plausible that Trump is saying, “I am confirming Q as a source you can trust." ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/700 "2019-03-15T11:06:49Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > … > > In other news from the bizarre world of antivaxers, the group Age of Autism has published an open letter to Washington state legislators, urging them to veto a bill that would ban “philosophical” exemptions to vaccination. The letter refers to vaccination as “medical rape”. > > Excerpt: > > _“Rape is when someone uses force to penetrate another against their will. The force can be physical, coercion or abuse of authority. If SB5841 passes, many of us will be saying NO, we will try to get away from our assailant, but because of abuse of authority and coercion we will be medically penetrated anyway.”_ How long before we see anti-vax terrorism? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=36)