# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/701 "2019-03-15T11:56:06Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > How long before we see anti-vax terrorism? From Del Bigtree, co-producer of “Vaxxed”: - “Anyone who believes in the right to bear arms. To stand up against your government. I don’t know what you were saving that gun for then. I don’t know when you planned on using it if they were going to take control of your own body away. > **[Del Bigtree crosses the line: tells Vaxxed audience “Now’s the time” for guns.](https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2016/07/19/del-bigtree-crosses-the-line-tells-vaxxed-audience-nows-the-time-for-guns/)** > > Del Bigtree helped Andrew Wakefield produce a faux documentary called Vaxxed. Vaxxed has been discussed here and elsewhere a great deal, but here is a review from Science Based Medicine if you are … After that hit the fan he walked back his comments. Just recently another foam-at-the-mouth antivaxer who runs a popular “natural” health website posted feverishly about anticipating armed resistance to thugs who supposedly are going to be invading homes to forcibly vaccinate children (this in response to a proposed Iowa law to have school district officials do home health/welfare checks of home-schooled children). I have concern about the safety of prominent pro-immunization advocates, given the level of craziness from the antivax crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/702 "2019-03-15T12:09:37Z")
That open letter to Washington state legislators from antivaxers goes [even deeper into crazy-land](https://respectfulinsolence.com/2019/03/15/vaccine-mandates-medical-rape/) than just citing vaccination as “medical rape”: _“SB5841 (proposed bill removing “philosophical” exemptions to vaccination) has been one giant catcall. I’m walking down the street minding my own business, and SB5841 is gyrating its hips at me, whistling and telling me all the things it’s going to do to me and my family. It’s going to molest us, puncture us, and inject us with fluid. Not once, not twice, but 72 times, and we’re going to like it! It’s going to be sooo good!”_ ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/703 "2019-03-15T13:46:32Z")
The anti-vaxxers probably got that idea from Jehovah’s Witnesses, who describe being forced by the courts to give their children life saving blood transfusions as “a form of rape.” ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/704 "2019-03-15T15:19:50Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > That open letter to Washington state legislators from antivaxers goes [even deeper into crazy-land](https://respectfulinsolence.com/2019/03/15/vaccine-mandates-medical-rape/) than just citing vaccination as “medical rape”: > > _“SB5841 (proposed bill removing “philosophical” exemptions to vaccination) has been one giant catcall. I’m walking down the street minding my own business, and SB5841 is gyrating its hips at me, whistling and telling me all the things it’s going to do to me and my family. It’s going to molest us, puncture us, and inject us with fluid. Not once, not twice, but 72 times, and we’re going to like it! It’s going to be sooo good!”_ Thanks for making us aware of this disgusting and reprehensible bullshit. I emailed my state legislators this morning urging them to pass SB5841 and expressing my disgust at the open letter. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/705 "2019-03-15T15:28:30Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > How long before we see anti-vax terrorism? I’m not sure, but it could very well happen on the same day that some crazed religious fanatic shoots up the Family Planning aisle at CVS because they’re selling Plan B. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/706 "2019-03-15T17:38:42Z")
There is a downside to the internet. It makes it easier for crazies to find each other. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/707 "2019-03-15T18:23:10Z")
Here’s a funny _NYT_ cartoon, _Schoolhouse Rock_-style, about anti-vaxxers: [Opinion | Fool House Rock: Anti-Vaxx Fallacies - The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000006256804/measles-anti-vaxxers.html) ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/708 "2019-03-16T18:39:30Z")
Roald Dahl on [Measles](https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/01/27/roald-dahls-shutdown-anti-vaxxers-even-relevant-today-30-years-ago/). ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/709 "2019-03-16T19:49:46Z")
Oh my, that is such a perfect story, but so very sad. I wish that it could get through to the anti-vaxxers, but they are so stubborn and stupid the will not take it to heart. My great grandmother had measles while she was pregnant. She had twins, one of which died shortly after birth, although he looked healthy, according to family history. His brother George was red and scrawny, but fortunately lived to be my great-uncle George. Other siblings died of diptheria and whooping cough. Of Georges five siblings, only one other, my own grandmother, lived to see their own grandchildren. If there had been more vaccinations there would have been a lot more cousins. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/710 "2019-03-16T20:12:26Z")
The back story to Olivia Dahl’s death from measles makes it even worse. When her brother Theo’s baby carriage was struck by New York City taxi cab, Dahl and his wife Patricia Neal decided to move to England, figuring it would be a safer place to raise their children. Since the British government did not required children to be immunized then, the Dahl children were not vaccinated. Such a tragic story. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/711 "2019-03-17T14:02:14Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Roald Dahl on [Measles](https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/01/27/roald-dahls-shutdown-anti-vaxxers-even-relevant-today-30-years-ago/). [Stephanie Messenger](https://www.amazon.com/Melanies-Marvelous-Measles-Stephanie-Messenger/dp/1466938897) on measles. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/712 "2019-03-17T17:24:42Z")
You know, I hate to throw out any book, but that one would be at the top of the list, along with Mein Kampf or The Turner Diaries. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/713 "2019-03-17T17:53:15Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > [Stephanie Messenger](https://www.amazon.com/Melanies-Marvelous-Measles-Stephanie-Messenger/dp/1466938897) on measles. At first I was dismayed that it had as many 5 stars as it has, but then I read the reviews. Most of the 5 starts are just a bit sarcastic. Unfortunately, not all of them are. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/714 "2019-03-19T11:02:30Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > [Stephanie Messenger](https://www.amazon.com/Melanies-Marvelous-Measles-Stephanie-Messenger/dp/1466938897) on measles. Is there some way to report items to Amazon? That book really should be removed. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/715 "2019-03-19T11:14:18Z")
Yeah, what’s next? _Pauline’s Precious Polio? Sam’s Stupendous Smallpox? Timmy’s Terrific Tuberculosis? Max’s Magnificent Malaria?_ ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/716 "2019-03-19T12:06:18Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Is there some way to report items to Amazon? That book really should be removed. It’s good for comedy relief. Amazon is already facing squalls of protest over “censorship” (i.e. removing some rabid antivax video from Prime access). It’s like living in Soviet Roosha. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/717 "2019-03-19T12:13:10Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yeah, what’s next? _Pauline’s Precious Polio? Sam’s Stupendous Smallpox? Timmy’s Terrific Tuberculosis? Max’s Magnificent Malaria?_ Nah, it’s gonna be _Swimmin’ In It_, a book all about how it’s all right to dump your raw sewage straight into the river as long as you take your water from a well a few yards from shore. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/718 "2019-03-19T12:29:03Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yeah, what’s next? _Pauline’s Precious Polio? Sam’s Stupendous Smallpox? Timmy’s Terrific Tuberculosis? Max’s Magnificent Malaria?_ Harry’s Hopeful HIV and 'Arry’s Awesome AIDS, a 2-parter. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/719 "2019-03-19T17:55:37Z")
> [@](#): > > A Kentucky student is suing his local health department after it barred students who aren’t immunized against the chickenpox from attending school and canceled extracurricular activities during an outbreak that has affected 32 people. [So reports CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/health/chickenpox-vaccine-kentucky-lawsuit-trnd/index.html). The student cited his “Christian faith” as his reason for not getting immunized and are claiming it’s religious discrimination. He seems most upset about not being able to play basketball, even though NOBODY gets to play due to the outbreak. It’s a Catholic school, and his nut-job dad is convinced, despite all evidence, that the vaccine is made of aborted fetuses. I suspect the lawsuit won’t get far, but I wonder if more and more anti-vaxxers won’t claim religious exemptions when philosophical exemptions are rescinded. And in other disturbing anti-vaxx [news](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/health/anti-vax-harassment-eprise/index.html), apparently people whose children have died from the flu and other diseases are getting death threats from anti-vaxxers. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/720 "2019-03-19T21:47:05Z")
I heard back from one of my state legislators, who said the bill rescinding exemptions for philosophical reasons didn’t make it through the state senate. He said there’s another bill that’s been passed by the House and is now in the Senate. This one allows philosophical exemptions except for the MMR vaccine. i guess it’s OK if a kid gets meningitis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=37)