# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/741 "2019-03-25T16:31:49Z")
You are saying your child died from the flu to cover up murdering your child? Anti-vaxxers are not only ignorant scumbags, they are also unspeaskably cruel and libelous. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/742 "2019-03-26T22:11:38Z")
[Breaking news](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/03/26/rockland-declare-state-emergency-measles-outbreak/3279803002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories): > [@](#): > > WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. - Citing pockets of resistance that are impeding the county’s efforts to stem a measles outbreak that has risen to 153 cases since October, Rockland [County] officials today declared a state of emergency. > > Starting at midnight, anyone who is under 18 and not vaccinated against measles will be banned from public places. This ban will last until the declaration expires in 30 days or until people are vaccinated. > > Places covered under the ban include shopping centers, restaurants, schools and places of worship. Outdoor gathering places are not included. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/743 "2019-03-26T22:59:27Z")
Let the antivax hysteria begin. Expect references to yellow badges and other Holocaust imagery. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/744 "2019-03-27T12:26:33Z")
Haven’t heard Holocaust references yet in response to the Rockland County order, but there’s this from the antivax group Age of Autism: _“Where is the outcry that was given to Immigrant children held in detention? Where is the outcry over what are the new Jim Crow laws circa 2019? How soon before we have a knock on the door with the vaccination police demanding we hand over our children?”_ :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/745 "2019-03-27T14:10:38Z")
> [@](#): > > How soon before we have a knock on the door with the vaccination police demanding we hand over our children? Um… not soon enough? Look, the biggest problem with these anti-vaxxers is that their problems aren’t limited to just themselves - they spread disease. People spreading a preventable disease like measles is a public health issue. It’s like arguing for a freedom to suffer from cholera or dysentery, or to smear shit on the tables where other people eat in a restaurant. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/746 "2019-03-27T14:16:50Z")
Googling anti-vax led to this very funny list of [Anti-vaccination celebrities](https://jezebel.com/heres-a-fairly-comprehensive-list-of-anti-vaccination-c-1714760128) Amazing how so many of them are Scientologists! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/747 "2019-03-27T15:33:02Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Breaking news](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/03/26/rockland-declare-state-emergency-measles-outbreak/3279803002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories): > > > [@](#): > > > > WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. - Citing pockets of resistance that are impeding the county’s efforts to stem a measles outbreak that has risen to 153 cases since October, Rockland [County] officials today declared a state of emergency. > > > > Starting at midnight, anyone who is under 18 and not vaccinated against measles will be banned from public places. This ban will last until the declaration expires in 30 days or until people are vaccinated. > > > > Places covered under the ban include shopping centers, restaurants, schools and places of worship. Outdoor gathering places are not included How are they going to determine if a kid in a public place is vaccinated or not? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/748 "2019-03-27T15:34:57Z")
I didn’t know better when I told my oldest that they were opening a Wahlberger on her way home. She started ranting about “that bitch” and how she can’t be trusted near her. I didn’t understand the vitriol until the news showed Donnie Donnie with his wife, Jenny McCarthy and mentioned how they live in St Chas, IL. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/749 "2019-03-27T16:08:21Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > How are they going to determine if a kid in a public place is vaccinated or not? [Anti-vaxxers tend to out themselves](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/health/rockland-new-york-measles-unvaccinated-ban-bn/index.html): > [@](#): > > [County Executive Ed Day] admitted that police officers will not be walking around asking parents for proof of vaccination for their children. He also said this is just to draw attention to make people understand the seriousness of the situation. > > “As this outbreak has continued, our inspectors have begun to meet resistance from those they are trying to protect. They have been hung up on or told not to call again. They’ve been told ‘we’re not discussing this; do not come back’ when visiting the homes of infected individuals as part of their investigations. This type of response is unacceptable and irresponsible. It endangers the health and well-being of others and displays a shocking lack of responsibility and concern for others in our community,” Day said. > > The outbreak has mainly been isolated in a couple of communities within Rockland County, which is just north of New York City, but the whole community is at risk, he said, noting that there have been complications among patients, including a premature labor and a handful of hospitalizations. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/750 "2019-03-27T16:46:34Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > How are they going to determine if a kid in a public place is vaccinated or not? At the first sign of Koplik spots, full-blown measles rash or any unexplained fever or malaise, the ban-hammer comes down. Rockland County is taking this [very seriously](https://ipolitics.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Police-in-riot-gear.jpeg). :eek: ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/751 "2019-03-27T18:02:31Z")
Before vaccinations became a common practice, there were other methods of stemming the advance of these diseases. If someone doesn’t want vaccinated, those other methods will be used, because these diseases can’t be ignored and allowed to run rampant. If you don’t like vaccination, you’re going to have to accept quarantine, and vice versa. There’s no opting out of engaging with public health, period. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/752 "2019-03-27T18:04:01Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Haven’t heard Holocaust references yet in response to the Rockland County order, but there’s this from the antivax group Age of Autism: > > _"Where is the outcry that was given to Immigrant children held in detention?_ Yes, who can forget the hue and cry when the Trump administration banned children from entering cages? ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/753 "2019-03-28T06:19:59Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Googling anti-vax led to this very funny list of [Anti-vaccination celebrities](https://jezebel.com/heres-a-fairly-comprehensive-list-of-anti-vaccination-c-1714760128) > > Amazing how so many of them are Scientologists! Holy frick. Alicia Silverstone is a proponent of babies not wearing diapers AND believes parents should pre-chew food and spit it into their babies’ mouths. I can’t help wondering how much of these anti-vax, anti-sense celebrity exhortations are yet more oneupmanship. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/754 "2019-03-28T09:46:32Z")
The “pre-chew food and spit it into baby’s mouth” actually has a long history - what do you think people did before there were food processors? It’s how hunter-gathers feed their infants and toddlers during weaning, and a lot of early agricultural societies. But yeah, in our society it’s a bit weird. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/755 "2019-03-28T16:02:56Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > The “pre-chew food and spit it into baby’s mouth” actually has a long history - what do you think people did before there were food processors? It’s how hunter-gathers feed their infants and toddlers during weaning, and a lot of early agricultural societies. > > But yeah, in our society it’s a bit weird. I was an adult before my mother got a food processor and she did not pre-chew my food. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/756 "2019-03-28T20:10:22Z")
And then there’s Bill Shine’s wife, Darla, who thinks getting childhood diseases is a great thing. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/health/2019/02/14/bring-back-our-childhooddiseases-white-house-communications-directors-wife-criticizes-vaccines/](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/health/2019/02/14/bring-back-our-childhooddiseases-white-house-communications-directors-wife-criticizes-vaccines/) ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/757 "2019-03-28T22:12:57Z")
> **[Arizona officers storm house with guns drawn over toddler with a high fever](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/arizona-officers-storm-house-guns-drawn-over-toddler-fever-n988301)** > > A police report said the officers used forced entry because there was a present danger to a child, and the parents refused to come out of the home. The above link is to a news story of a child taken into state custody because it was believed he had an illness that was life threatening and the parents would not take him to the hospital. Police had to break into the home as the parents would not respond. It also so happens the kid was not vaccinated and the mother had feared repercussions if she took the kid to the ER. He had a high fever. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/758 "2019-03-28T22:45:36Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > I was an adult before my mother got a food processor and she did not pre-chew my food. Yeah, well, like I said, the pre-chewing thing is not a part of our culture. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/759 "2019-03-28T23:22:10Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yeah, well, like I said, the pre-chewing thing is not a part of our culture. Whattya mean? [Pre-Chew Charlies](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3tthe2). ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2019, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/760 "2019-03-29T00:09:43Z")
I take a class one evening a week. One of my classmates was absent last week - his wife had died of the flu. Just tragic. I had my flu shot this year, as always. It’s so easy for people to not be cognizant that even if we’re willing to risk catching the flu ourselves, we’re also risking the lives of everyone we unwittingly pass it along to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=39)