# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/761 "2019-04-01T22:12:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Measles continues to spread across the U.S., with outbreaks in four states infecting more people in the first three months of 2019 than in all of last year, according to new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. > > The CDC has confirmed 387 cases across 15 states from Jan. 1 through March 28, compared with 372 cases in all of last year. > **[US measles cases surpass last year's total in just three months as outbreaks...](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/01/us-measles-cases-surpass-2018-totals-as-outbreaks-spread.html)** > > This year is shaping up as the worst for measles since 2014 and is already the second-worst since it was declared eradicated in 2000. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/762 "2019-04-03T17:44:10Z")
And now anti-vaxers have taken to [wearing yellow stars](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-anti-vaccination-protesters-don-yellow-stars-provoking-ire-from-auschwitz-museum-1.7068078?fbclid=IwAR1qSABsmLGftqPdUz8Wuih5afoRggc4sN-8aWnlmTPZeC-5HWNOCIY1BzQ) to indicate they’re being persecuted like the Jews were during the Holocaust. This in response to NYC banning unvaccinated children from attending public schools. Sure, that’s the same. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/763 "2019-04-04T14:41:44Z")
[Another article on the subject](https://forward.com/fast-forward/421767/anti-vaxxer-yellow-star-rockland-county-measles/) "Who’s next? The Christians who don’t want to to _(sic)_ partake in abortion?” Mahairas added. Right. Because not vaccinating your child is the same as not having an abortion? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/764 "2019-04-06T02:39:01Z")
Meanwhile, the Kunkel kid tried to Kunkel his way back into high school during a chicken pox outbreak there without being vaccinated (because dead babies from long ago, and because Catholicism), but the judge is keeping him out. KunkelDad says the church’s ruling that vaccination is a good thing “doesn’t mean nothing” to him. Is he going to homeschool his kid in the use of doubleKunkelnegatives? > **[Anti-vaxxer says Catholicism should allow him in school during chickenpox...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/4/1847780/-Anti-vaxxer-says-Catholicism-should-allow-him-in-school-during-chickenpox-outbreak-judge-disagrees?detail=emaildkre)** > > An 18-year-old Kentucky Catholic high school student is losing his current lawsuit against the Northern Kentucky Health Department. Jerome Kunkel, who is unvaccinated, sued the health department to allow him back into Our Lady of... ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/765 "2019-04-06T05:26:59Z")
A New York judge has ruled against a county trying to fight a measles outbreak there: [Judge rules against Rockland County's state of emergency over measles outbreak - ABC7 New York](https://abc7ny.com/health/judge-rules-against-rockland-countys-state-of-emergency/5235890/) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/766 "2019-04-06T06:45:40Z")
Samantha Bee just featured a segment on Anti-anti-vaxxers: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/PBGdr_RSSO0/maxresdefault.jpg "Anti-Anti-Vaxxers | April 3, 2019 Act 2 | Full Frontal on TBS") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBGdr_RSSO0) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/767 "2019-04-06T12:40:44Z")
Some good news, showing the HPV vaccine is working very well - a study showing rates of cervical precancers (dysplasias) are dramatically declining. > **[HPV rates tumble after routine vaccination](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/04/cervical-cancer-rates-tumble-after-routine-hpv-vaccination)** > > Immunisation of 12 and 13-year-old girls has led to 89% decline in disease in Scotland, data reveals Antivaxers whose attacks on the HPV vaccine have included the claim that it isn’t proven effective will now have to explain away this study’s findings. Hmm, maybe the drop in precancerous cervical lesions is entirely due to better nutrition and sanitation… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xandria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/3bc359/32.png) [@Xandria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xandria)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/768 "2019-04-06T13:06:00Z")
> [@Lacunae\_Matata](#): > > 1. Changes in diagnostic criteria and educational inclusion mean that we see more ASD today than 40 years ago. Back in my day, people who were (today) on the spectrum were either isolated in special learning environments (“special” school,) or they were the weird kids in regular classrooms. My autism diagnosis took over 3 decades. I have been told by various healthcare providers that for many many years girls were more likely to be diagnosed with mental health and personality disorders, instead of the autism that we actually have. This alone could cause quite a sharp rise in autism figures, even though, whether vaccinated or not, we could have been included on the count 40 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/769 "2019-04-10T11:42:22Z")
NY City is requiring mandatory vaccinations. > **[New York City Is Requiring Vaccinations Against Measles. Can Officials Do...](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/health/measles-outbreak-vaccinations-brooklyn.html)** > > Mandatory vaccination is rare, but it has been done — and upheld by the courts. While judges have allowed health officials to fine citizens for refusing, forced vaccinations are highly unusual. > [@](#): > > Faced with an expanding measles outbreak, Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York declared a public health emergency on Tuesday and ordered a program of mandatory vaccination in parts of Brooklyn. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/770 "2019-04-10T11:44:31Z")
Gosh, I hope they have enough child-sized chairs with straps. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/771 "2019-04-10T12:07:39Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Gosh, I hope they have enough child-sized chairs with straps. From the article, it appears that there may be a $1000.00 fine and possible imprisonment. Whether physical force could be used is unclear. I would think that the city would be reluctant to go that far. I suspect that they’re intentionally being vague on that point. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/772 "2019-04-10T12:12:12Z")
I strongly doubt they will strap people down and inject them. The government has a lot more moderate tools in its box (including threats of fines and imprisonment, but also in more extreme cases exclusion and quarantine) before it gets to that stage. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/773 "2019-04-10T12:25:33Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > When it comes to social media, [The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/02/anti-vaxx-facebook-social-media/583681/) points out, there aren’t as many anti-vaxxers as it seems: It’s the same with many other internet pits. I follow the internet editions of several Spanish newspapers and each of them has this one user who waits for any articles mentioning women in any form (it may be an interview to a movie director about her last movie; one to another in which he mentions the female star several times; one about ergonomics; or about whether Queen Letizia and Queen Sofia hate each other’s guts or not) and posts the exact same rant. There are others, but those particular fellows are usually the first comment on any and all articles mentioning women. If you don’t realize “wait a minute, this particular rant sounds familiar” and start checking, the impression you come away with is that there’s an enormous amount of jerks who read those particular newspapers. Nope, just the one jerk… and for two of them, it may actually be the same one (different username, same copypasted rant about women being privileged because our life expectancy at birth is higher; personally, I think it’s a pity he hasn’t already surpassed his). ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/774 "2019-04-10T19:43:19Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Gosh, I hope they have enough child-sized chairs with straps. More likely you’d need to strap down the crazy, ignorant adults. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/775 "2019-04-11T12:17:26Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > More likely you’d need to strap down the crazy, ignorant adults. No forcible vaccination will occur. > **[Mandatory measles vaccinations in New York City– anti-vaccine lies begin](https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/mandatory-measles-vaccinations-new-york-city-anti-vaccine-lies/)** > > Unless you've been living under that metaphorical rock, you probably know that officials in New York City have ordered mandatory measles vaccinations to ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/776 "2019-04-13T07:17:45Z")
Forgive me if this has been referenced before in this thread, but I just ran across it. According to [this ABC news article,](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/brooklyn-measles-outbreak-how-glossy-booklet-spread-anti-vaccine-messages-n993596) a major factor in the spread of misinformation thru the orthodox Jewish community is the 40-page printed booklet, [The Vaccine Safety Handbook.](https://issuu.com/peachmoms/docs/the_vaccine_safety_handbook_a4) Read it and weep; it’s a very slick presentation of all the falsehoods of the anti movement – vaccines cause autism, they are ineffective, dangerous to children, are not the cause of improved health in the last 100 years (improved sanitation prevents measles), too many shots at once, measles is not a dangerous disease, no one dies from measles but vaccines kill, try herbs and homeopathy instead, etc., etc. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/777 "2019-04-26T14:40:25Z")
[The iDJiT-in-Chief just came out in favor of vaccination for measles.](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/26/trump-says-people-must-get-vaccinated-amid-measles-outbreaks.html) How long until he claims to have always been in favor of vaccines? ---
**Author:** ![mplo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac8455/32.png) [@mplo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mplo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/778 "2019-04-26T14:46:05Z")
Well, if deliberately and knowingly conning people into taking risks with their kids by refusing to vaccinate them, thereby putting their own kids, as well as other people’s kids at risk **isn’t** a vicious, criminal thing to do, then I don’t know **what** it is. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/779 "2019-04-28T05:24:42Z")
Seen on a T shirt today: “Vaccines Cause Adults” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/780 "2019-04-29T13:51:27Z")
[Maureen McCormick is tired of anti-vaxxers using Marcia Brady meme](https://nypost.com/2019/04/29/maureen-mccormick-is-tired-of-anti-vaxxers-using-marcia-brady-meme/) Marcia, Marcia, Marcia. You cannot make this shit up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=40)