# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/921 "2020-03-23T20:50:38Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > A friend of a friend on social media was trying to get her mommy group and kids together for a COVID ‘pox party’. I wish I was joking and I wish that there weren’t a few non-sarcastic “Great idea!” posts. Humanity is doomed. Yeah, I get that there will always be stupid people in the world, but I guess what I was getting at with my question is the fate of legislation requiring core standard vaccinations for children to attend school, and the like. ISTM this whole anti-vax movement may be blunted by current events. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/922 "2020-03-23T21:38:19Z")
What anti-vaxxers don’t get is that vaccines are the reason we don’t have to go through this sort of song-and-dance on a regular basis. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/923 "2020-03-24T00:35:56Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > A friend of a friend on social media was trying to get her mommy group and kids together for a COVID ‘pox party’. I wish I was joking and I wish that there weren’t a few non-sarcastic “Great idea!” posts. Humanity is doomed. See, this may not be a terrible idea, if a few things were true: [ol] [li]COVID-19 has an almost zero risk of causing serious harm to younger children[/li][li]You are only contagious for a limited (and known) amount of time[/li][li]Reinfection is rare bordering on non-existent[/li][li]All involved children can be quarantined for the length of time they are contagious[/li][/ol] The first looks like it is true. However, the second and third have not been confirmed yet. And, would these parents agree to the last? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/924 "2020-03-24T02:16:28Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > A friend of a friend on social media was trying to get her mommy group and kids together for a COVID ‘pox party’. I wish I was joking and I wish that there weren’t a few non-sarcastic “Great idea!” posts. New data out of China shows that severe and critical illness from this virus can occur in children, particularly the youngest ones. _“Among children less than a year old, 10.6% had severe or critical disease. For children ages 1 to 5, that number was still high at 7.3%. It dropped to 4.2% for 6-to-10-year-olds, 4.1% for 11-to-15-year-olds, and 3% for those 16 and older. Interestingly, the only child who died was 14 years old.”_ > **[What one study from China tells us about COVID-19 and children - Harvard Health](https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-one-study-from-china-tells-us-about-covid-19-and-children-2020032319279)** > > A study of children in China infected with COVID-19 found that most had illness that was asymptomatic, mild, or moderate. Younger children are at higher risk of running into trouble and it’s ... Organizing “COVID parties” should at the least lead to opprobrium and, one would hope, legal sanctions. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/925 "2020-03-24T07:54:01Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > A friend of a friend on social media was trying to get her mommy group and kids together for a COVID ‘pox party’. I wish I was joking and I wish that there weren’t a few non-sarcastic “Great idea!” posts. Humanity is doomed. If she had succeeded, I hope that you would report her to the appropriate agencies since she would be putting her kids and other kids at risk - not to mention parents and grandparents. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/926 "2020-03-24T07:56:15Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > See, this may not be a terrible idea, if a few things were true: > [ol] > [li]COVID-19 has an almost zero risk of causing serious harm to younger children[/li][li]You are only contagious for a limited (and known) amount of time[/li][li]Reinfection is rare bordering on non-existent[/li][li]All involved children can be quarantined for the length of time they are contagious[/li][/ol] > > The first looks like it is true. However, the second and third have not been confirmed yet. And, would these parents agree to the last? Not just the children would have to be quarantined, but the parents also. And not just our shelter in place quarantine, the not go anywhere quarantine. I’d drop off some loud toys for the kids to keep them busy - drum sets, noisemakers, you know. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/927 "2020-03-24T11:59:52Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > See, this may not be a terrible idea, if a few things were true: > [ol] > [li]COVID-19 has an almost zero risk of causing serious harm to younger children[/li][li]You are only contagious for a limited (and known) amount of time[/li][li]Reinfection is rare bordering on non-existent[/li][li]All involved children can be quarantined for the length of time they are contagious[/li][/ol] > > The first looks like it is true. However, the second and third have not been confirmed yet. And, would these parents agree to the last? It’s a terrible idea even i #1 is true. With outbreaks, the objective is to reduce disease vectors. Grouping people together creates not just more vectors, but multiples of vectors - it’s math, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/928 "2020-03-24T20:23:40Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s a terrible idea even i #1 is true. With outbreaks, the objective is to reduce disease vectors. Grouping people together creates not just more vectors, but multiples of vectors - it’s math, dude. \*\* I am not claiming that these are true or this is a good idea.\*\* If, and only if, all 4 are true this would reduce disease vectors as all these children would not only not be able to spread the disease immediately (due to being strictly quarantined), but would not be able to ever spread the disease as they could not be carriers in the future. One assumption underlying these as well is that the virus will not mutate so that the assumptions won’t change. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/929 "2020-03-24T20:55:41Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > \*\* > I am not claiming that these are true or this is a good idea.\*\* > > If, and only if, all 4 are true this would reduce disease vectors as all these children would not only not be able to spread the disease immediately (due to being strictly quarantined), but would not be able to ever spread the disease as they could not be carriers in the future. > > One assumption underlying these as well is that the virus will not mutate so that the assumptions won’t change. But even if all 4 are true, you’re ignoring that you can’t quarantine kids completely separate from their parents So you would need to add #5: _COVID-19 has an almost zero risk of causing serious harm to parents_. Which is demonstrably untrue. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/930 "2020-03-24T22:41:12Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > \*\* > I am not claiming that these are true or this is a good idea.\*\* > > If, and only if, all 4 are true this would reduce disease vectors as all these children would not only not be able to spread the disease immediately (due to being strictly quarantined), but would not be able to ever spread the disease as they could not be carriers in the future. > > One assumption underlying these as well is that the virus will not mutate so that the assumptions won’t change. [The first child has died](https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489316-death-of-child-from-coronavirus-reported-in-california) in LA, so there goes that idea. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/931 "2020-03-25T02:31:52Z")
1. I forgot about this thread. Mayim, consider our engagement over. I can do better, though you can’t. 😉 2. Where on Earth do idiots get the idea that kids are immune or only get mile cases? Is this a part of Trump’s magical thinking? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/932 "2020-03-25T02:35:55Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > {…} 2. Where on Earth do idiots get the idea that kids are immune or only get mile cases? Is this a part of Trump’s magical thinking? Apparently, some of those idiots post here. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/933 "2020-03-25T03:04:09Z")
And why did **flyer** get banned? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/934 "2020-03-25T03:19:51Z")
[Flyer might be the last bannee to have an ATMB thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=890531) for now. ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/935 "2020-03-26T22:20:49Z")
My sister-in-law is claiming that only vaccinated people are getting Covid-19. There are not enough rolleyes in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/936 "2020-03-26T22:47:23Z")
Doesn’t virtually everyone in the US (or the developed world) have at least some of the usual vaccinations? So if “only vaccinated people are getting Covid-19”, who is she referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/937 "2020-03-27T00:11:48Z")
Smart people that don’t by into her woo? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2020, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/938 "2020-03-28T06:25:23Z")
The ignorant scumbags are being now guided by fake news from anti high speed wifi dunderheads, Q-anon trolls and even Russian and Chinese bot trolls. > **[Coronavirus: Fake news is spreading fast](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51646309)** > > How Facebook and YouTube are dealing with the spread of fake news about the virus. > [@](#): > > As the coronavirus - or to be precise Covid-19 - spreads around the world, getting accurate information about the disease becomes ever more important. > > And in the social media age, that puts a heavy responsibility on the likes of Facebook and YouTube. > > These are the platforms that billions now rely on for news and they are already providing fertile territory for those wanting to spread misinformation. On Facebook, it is in groups opposing vaccines and those campaigning against 5G mobile phone networks that scare stories appear most likely to take hold. > > I’ve scanned a number of the 5G groups, and found plenty of comments suggesting there is a link between the virus and the new networks. The Stop 5G UK group has more than 27,000 members, one of whom has posted this: “I’ve heard it’s not a serious “Virus”, it’s about as bad as a flu or cold. So really this is a perfect plan to cover up EMF/5G related illnesses.” > **[Coronavirus Is Spreading -- And So Are the Hoaxes and Conspiracy Theories...](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/coronavirus-china-bat-patent-conspiracy-theory-942416/)** > > As tje deadly coronavirus that originated in Wuhan, China, people are making some pretty outrageous claims. > [@](#): > > On January 21st, QAnon YouTuber and professional shit-strirrer Jordan Sather tweeted a link to a patent for coronavirus filed by the U.K.-based Pirbright Institute in 2015. “Was the release of this disease planned?” Sather tweeted. “Is the media being used to incite fear around it? Is the Cabal desperate for money, so they’re tapping their Big Pharma reserves?” This theory quickly gained traction in many conspiracy theorist circles, with QAnon and anti-vaccine Facebook groups posting links to the patent suggesting that the government had introduced coronavirus, presumably to make money off a potential vaccine. > > Adding fuel to the fire, Sather followed up by linking the Pirbright Foundation to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, based on a 2019 press release announcing that the foundation would be helping to fund an unrelated project to study livestock disease and immunology. (Along with other so-called “elites,” Bill Gates is a frequent target of QAnon conspiracy theories.) His inclusion was not particularly surprising, says Renee DiResta, research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory. “Any time there is an outbreak story with a vaccine conspiracy angle, Gates is worked into it. This type of content was very similar to Zika conspiracies,” she tells Rolling Stone. I had a nasty encounter with one video that a superior thought it was a good idea to share with all in the room. I was lucky to not get fired, it was propaganda disguised as a religious video from a “christian preacher” that, besides defending Donald Trump’s early inaction, managed to link all the items mentioned here and even tossed the Illuminati in the end. :rolleyes: It is getting really nasty, but not surprising to me that the extreme right is attracted to yet again another conspiracy theory against science or knowledge. Marat would be proud. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2020, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/939 "2020-03-28T12:58:58Z")
Yesterday a video titled ‘10 Herbs That Kill Viruses and Clear Mucus from Your Lungs’ showed up in my Youtube feed. I have no idea why because I don’t watch crap like that at all. I have reported the video but it is still up. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2020, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/940 "2020-03-28T13:10:47Z")
Somehow I have been on a spam email list that gives me at least one email per day. They have an identical structure and layout, yet every one comes from a different address, which makes it impossible to block them. I’m quite sure they are from a single source, and this has been going on for years. The longevity of the campaign suggests it is not an experiment, but a profitable enterprise. A common thread to this email series? 100% of them tout products (we can’t call them medicines) that have no scientific validity whatsoever. One Hundred Fucking Percent! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=48)