# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/961 "2021-01-25T18:43:26Z")
They’re grifters, and unfortunately, I’m afraid this isn’t something unique to conservatives or the alt-right – there are probably just as many libtards who are willing to cash in on a good conspiracy theory or two. I recall the “9/11 was an inside job” troll job, which sucked in people of various political persuasions into their vortex. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/962 "2021-01-25T22:13:42Z")
Count on these sleazy opportunists to madly hype every injury and death occurring in temporal proximity to Covid-19 vaccination as somehow being related, no matter how implausible. Some have already tried to blame Hank Aaron’s death on the vaccine he got two and a half weeks earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/963 "2021-02-01T17:59:08Z")
> **[Anti-vaccine protesters temporarily shut down major coronavirus vaccine site...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/30/anti-vaccine-protest-dodger-stadium/)** > > The vaccine site, one of the largest in the country, was closed for about an hour, officials said. > One of the largest vaccination sites in the country briefly shut down Saturday afternoon because maskless, anti-vaccine protesters blocked the entrance, officials said. > > For nearly an hour, thousands of motorists in line to get a [coronavirus](https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_3) vaccine shot at Dodger Stadium were stalled as about 50 people demonstrating against immunization efforts caused officials to temporarily close the site’s gates, Los Angeles Fire Department spokesman David Ortiz told The Washington Post. > The protesters, members of anti-vaccine and far-right groups, organized online, according to [the Los Angeles Times](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-30/dodger-stadiums-covid-19-vaccination-site-shutdown-after-dozens-of-protesters-gather-at-entrance), which first reported about the closure caused by the “SCAMDEMIC PROTEST/MARCH.” > > “Please refrain from wearing Trump/MAGA attire as we want our statement to resonate with the sheeple,” a social media post for the planned demonstration said, according to the Times. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/964 "2021-02-02T01:06:13Z")
Remember that Tennessee nurse who briefly fainted after getting her Covid-19 vaccination? Antivaxers and their Covid-19 “hoax” buddies are still harassing her and her family. > **[Anti-Vaxxers Won’t Stop Harassing Nurse They’re Convinced Is Dead](https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vaxxers-wont-stop-harassing-tiffany-dover-nurse-theyre-convinced-is-dead-after-covid-shot?ref=scroll)** > > Tiffany Dover fainted after getting the COVID vaccine on TV. Then the insanity started. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/965 "2021-02-10T18:06:21Z")
You ever stop to think that maybe we are not supposed to survive? A while back, there was scifi anthology show. One episode dealt with aliens giving men a disease that would make them crazy and try to kill women in a religious zeal. This was meant to eradicate humans. The men kilt the wimmens, patted themselves on the back for how smart and moral they were, and treated the aliens as ‘angels’. I am NOT suggesting that aliens are doing this. But maybe God is. We are marked for extinction. A flood or a meteor would be needlessly messy. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/966 "2021-02-10T18:25:35Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > A while back, there was scifi anthology show. One episode dealt with aliens giving men a disease that would make them crazy and try to kill women in a religious zeal. This was meant to eradicate humans. The men kilt the wimmens, patted themselves on the back for how smart and moral they were, and treated the aliens as ‘angels’. Also a short story, “The Screwfly Solution” by Raccoona Sheldon (aka James Tiptree Jr) which was an awesome story. Notwithstanding all that, I was under the assumption that we (the species) were on the right track following the fall of the Berlin Wall, the election of Obama and all that. Following Brexit and Trump and the various Trump spin-offs and hangovers, climate change deniers, covid deniers etc etc, I now fear that we will be undone by some sort of mass stupidity and ignorance. Somehow we really went off the rails. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/967 "2021-02-10T18:34:51Z")
Yep, that;s the one. > **[The Screwfly Solution (Masters of Horror)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Screwfly_Solution_(Masters_of_Horror))** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > "The Screwfly Solution" is the seventh episode in the second season of Masters of Horror. It is based upon the 1977 science fiction short story of the same name by Alice Sheldon (under the alias Raccoona Sheldon), credited in the film as James Tiptree, Jr. Many of the scenes in Sam Hamm's script are expansions of single lines in this epistolary story. Director Joe Dante read the story in the 1980s and had wanted to make a film version ever sinc... ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/968 "2021-02-11T02:47:22Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > Notwithstanding all that, I was under the assumption that we (the species) were on the right track following the fall of the Berlin Wall, the election of Obama and all that. Following Brexit and Trump and the various Trump spin-offs and hangovers, climate change deniers, covid deniers etc etc, I now fear that we will be undone by some sort of mass stupidity and ignorance. Somehow we really went off the rails. [![](https://wjaconnors.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/devolution350x2621.jpg) ](https://wjaconnors.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/devolution350x2621.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/969 "2021-02-11T04:40:07Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I am NOT suggesting that aliens are doing this. But maybe God is. We are marked for extinction. A flood or a meteor would be needlessly messy. There aren’t enough eye rolls left in my head for this. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/970 "2021-02-11T15:01:54Z")
> **[Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been banned from Instagram | CNN Business](https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/10/tech/robert-kennedy-jr-instagram-ban/index.html)** > > Instagram on Wednesday took down the account of controversial anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/971 "2021-02-11T16:20:54Z")
About damn time. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/972 "2021-05-14T01:35:14Z")
This is the first I’ve heard of these folks; I almost started a new thread for them since they touch on so many things: anti-vaxx, pro-Trump, pro-insurrection. And they have a PAC! > **[Inside one network cashing in on vaccine disinformation](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-coronavirus-pandemic-government-and-politics-health-business-064614ee0a2cafe2293cb3f6479e3985)** > > The couple in the website videos could be hawking any number of products. “You’re going to love owning the platinum package,” Charlene Bollinger says, as a picture of a DVD set and other products flashes on screen. > [@](#): > > The Bollingers are part of an ecosystem of for-profit companies, nonprofit groups and social media accounts that stoke fear and distrust of COVID-19 vaccines, using what medical experts say is often misleading and false information. > > An investigation by The Associated Press has found that the couple works closely with others prominent in the anti-vaccine movement — including Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his Children’s Health Defense — to drive sales through affiliate marketing relationships. > > According to the Bollingers, there’s big money involved. They have said that they have sold tens of millions of dollars of products and paid out $12 million to affiliates. > [@](#): > > The Bollingers aligned themselves with right-wing supporters of former President Donald Trump — establishing a Super PAC to push what they call “medical freedom,” participating in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol and promoting lies like the assertion that the election was stolen from Trump. > > On the afternoon of Jan. 6, as supporters of former President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol, the Bollingers held a rally just blocks away. As emergency vehicles screamed past, Charlene Bollinger celebrated from the stage, calling it an “amazing day.” Meanwhile, Ty Bollinger stood at the doors of the Capitol, though he says he did not enter. > > The Tennessee couple’s social media accounts have been identified as among the top vaccine misinformation super spreaders by organizations such as NewsGuard and The Center for Countering Digital Hate. They have more than 1 million followers on Facebook, and Charlene Bollinger has said their email list has “a couple million” people on it. > [@](#): > > The Bollingers employ affiliate marketing, where people are paid for spreading the word about a product. Affiliates for the “Truth About Vaccines 2020” video series would receive an affiliate ID, used to track who referred a customer, according to its web page, which was taken down after AP asked about information posted on it. Affiliates earned 40% commissions on digital products and 30% on physical products, as well as chances for bonuses for top performers. > > Kennedy’s nonprofit, Children’s Health Defense, was one of several affiliates listed. In a version captured by the Internet Archive in spring 2020, Kennedy was named among the Top 10 on the series’ “Overall Sales Leaderboard.” > [@](#): > > The Bollingers last year founded a political action committee, United Medical Freedom Super PAC. The group paid conservative political consultant Roger Stone more than $11,000 on Dec. 18, for what Stone said was an October rally in Nashville. He was also billed as the keynote speaker for the Bollingers’ Jan. 6 “MAGA Freedom Rally D.C.,” but said he did not go after the insurrection at the Capitol. > > Video of the event shows Charlene Bollinger celebrating the Capitol breach. > > **“The Capitol has been stormed by patriots, we’re here for this reason, we are winning.” She added: “We are at war.”** (bolding mine) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/973 "2021-05-14T02:39:14Z")
Another take on this power couple: > **[Grifters gonna grift: Cancer quacks Ty and Charlene Bollinger pivot to...](https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2021/02/10/ty-and-charlene-bollinger-pivot-to-antivaccine-and-stop-the-steal/)** > > Ty and Charlene Bollinger are yet another example of how alternative medicine grifters gonna grift, as they joined the "Stop the Steal." ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/974 "2021-05-14T02:51:27Z")
Being pro-Trump, anti-vax etc is a good way to (in sales’ speak) “qualify” a list of people as gullible. They are ripe to be plucked. Grifters gonna grift, gullible gonna get gulled ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/975 "2021-05-14T03:00:35Z")
As I feared, anti-intellectualism is a big force in the Republican party. While people like Kennedy are shunned by most Democrats nowadays, the number of Republicans that like what he peddles is increasing. They are adopting something that was a fringe among all political affiliations, and are now in the process of turning it into a litmus test among the Republicans. Just like they did with non fringe issues like evolution, social justice, climate change, cap-and-trade, and other items that were not supposed to be politicized or were accepted by many in all parties just a few decades ago. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/976 "2021-05-14T03:58:20Z")
Anti-vaxxers have historically been split between the far left and right but Trump seems to have tipped the scales towards the conservatives. Some day I hope conservatives will understand what a disaster he has been. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/977 "2021-05-14T04:33:37Z")
Just 12 people are behind 65% of the antivaxx disinformation on social media, according to this piece on NPR. > **[Just 12 People Are Behind Most Vaccine Hoaxes On Social Media, Research Shows](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes)** > > The majority of false claims about COVID-19 vaccines on social media trace back to just a handful of influential figures. So why don't the companies just shut them down? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/978 "2021-05-20T20:17:37Z")
Remember when antivaxers told us they didn’t care about other people being reckless enough to get vaccinated, as long as _they_ were free to refuse shots? > **[Canadian anti-vaxxers book fake COVID-19 vaccine appointments](https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/canadian-anti-vaxxers-book-fake-covid-19-vaccine-appointments/)** > > In the Canadian province of Alberta, anti-vaxxers are allegedly booking fake COVID-19 vaccine appointments in an attempt to block legitimate appointments ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/979 "2021-05-24T06:52:34Z")
Cognitive dissonance. It’s a hellava drug. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/980 "2021-05-26T05:28:06Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Remember when antivaxers told us they didn’t care about other people being reckless enough to get vaccinated, as long as _they_ were free to refuse shots? My solution: Booking a vax appointment should be deemed a commitment to get the shot, and no-shows should be tracked down and compelled to take the shot, forcibly if necessary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=50)