# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/981 "2021-05-26T05:46:21Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > compelled to take the shot, forcibly if necessary. Syringe-dart snipers. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/982 "2021-05-26T07:27:47Z")
I prefer the monetary solution. If someone decides they’re going to keep making appointments just to skip them all to prevent others from getting vaccination, then the anti-vaxer fool should have be fined the actual costs (salary of doctors, nurses, monetary costs of vaccine, etc.). ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/983 "2021-05-26T07:31:25Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I prefer the monetary solution. The forced vaccination has the additional advantage that it actually gets more people vaccinated? We can decree that making the appointment constitutes giving consent. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/984 "2021-05-26T08:13:35Z")
I know you’re half-joking, but do we _really_ want to set a societal precedent for _anything_ that consent, once given, can’t be withdrawn? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/985 "2021-05-26T08:55:33Z")
Yah I think the better punishment is to simply find out who made the false appointments. Then when COVID is ravaging their monkeysphere and reality hits them in the face and they try to get the vaccine, they get told “Well sure, you can have the vaccine. Just go to the very end of the queue and when we’ve done everyone else including the monkeys in the zoo, we’ll get to you. Don’t hurry back now, take your time!” ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/986 "2021-05-27T03:37:29Z")
Ignorance: bad. Ignorance + arrogance: awful. Ignorance + arrogance + big bucks: evil. [From the Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/26/vaccine-mandate-litigation-siri-glimstad-ican/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F32c4cc4%2F60ae72fc9d2fdae30261199b%2F5a9245ab9bbc0f2c63ff3b86%2F7%2F70%2F60ae72fc9d2fdae30261199b) (Paywalled, sorry): > Attorneys from Siri & Glimstad — a New York firm that has done millions of dollars of legal work for one of the nation’s foremost anti-vaccination groups — are co-counsel in a case against the Durham County Sheriff’s Office. They’ve sent warning letters to officials in Rock County, Wis., as well as to the president of Rutgers University and other schools. > > The legal salvos show that a groundswell against compulsory immunization is being coordinated, at least in part, from a law office on Park Avenue in midtown Manhattan. And they offer a window into a wide-ranging and well-resourced effort to contest vaccine requirements in workplaces and other settings critical to the country’s reopening — a dispute with sweeping implications for public health, state authority and individual rights. And remember Del Bigtree, one of the scummiest of anti-vaxx scumbags, the guy with no medical training who produced the Andrew Wakefield scum-umentary and has spouted COVID crap (“Catch this cold!”) during the pandemic? His Informed Action Consent Network (a misnomer if ever there were one), an anti-vaxx nonprofit, is running ads extolling Siri and Glimstad and recruiting plaintiffs for challenges to the mandate. I’m sure they’ll find plenty. Of course, anti-vaxxers won’t believe they’re being manipulated. That’s all a Big Pharma lie, right? 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/987 "2021-05-27T03:46:36Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Go to a cemetary some time and look at some of the older graves. And notice how many people died within 2 months when an outbreak ran through the town. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/988 "2021-05-27T13:29:26Z")
More on legal thuggery by antivaxers and their kin: > **[Legal thuggery: A favored technique by disinformation merchants to silence...](https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2021/05/26/legal-thuggery-the-favorite-technique-of-disinformation-merchants-to-silence-critics/)** > > How are cranks like Didier Raoult, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and Portuguese quacks alike? They like to use legal thuggery to silence criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/989 "2021-05-27T13:42:03Z")
Antivaxxer drives through vaccine tent > **[Tennessee anti-vaxxer arrested after deliberately plowing car through...](https://www.rawstory.com/tennessee-anti-vaccine-violence/)** > > On Wednesday, WSMV reported that a woman in eastern Tennessee was arrested after she drove recklessly through a drive-in COVID-19 vaccination site to protest the administration of the vaccine — nearly hitting several health workers in the... ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/991 "2021-05-27T16:31:00Z")
Excellent piece, and I’m stealing that phrase “legal thuggery” from that blog. Having seen how much power even the threat of lawsuits can have at schools and universities, I can say it’s deeply troubling. I’ve tried to point out to anti-vaxxers that they’re being manipulated by people who are making a fortune at their expense–money that funds legal shenanigans–but of course that just marks me as someone who’s been duped by Big Pharma. One of those I spoke to was especially angry. She’s making a mint ($60-70k a year) off shungite tchotchkes, which she imports from Russia, marks up several hundred percent and sells to the flee-from-5G masses. I’d say she’s scamming, but she believes in this stuff, along with every woo product out there. There’s one born every nano-second. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/992 "2021-05-27T17:36:08Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > I’ve tried to point out to anti-vaxxers that they’re being manipulated by people who are making a fortune at their expense–money that funds legal shenanigans–but of course that just marks me as someone who’s been duped by Big Pharma. Here’s an interesting and related article (a bit old, from last August): > **[How QAnon is monetizing child trafficking victims](https://bigthink.com/the-present/qanon-monetization/)** > > What good is a conspiracy theory you can't profit from? > How many of these memento peddlers are really QAnon devotees? Hard to tell. Some people will monetize anything. If you want to trace Q activists turning their platforms into cash cows, you have to root them out one by one. This is not specifically about anti-vaxxers but you know there’s a massive overlap between that crowd and Qanon. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/993 "2021-05-28T05:00:30Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Antivaxxer drives through vaccine tent This is plain attempted murder [note, I’m not a lawyer nor do I play one on regularly scheduled TV]. This is the same mentally deranged cultist as the Cosmic Pizza guy who shot up the ceiling with his AR. Jail time - lots. Psycho evaluation - nutjob [note, I’m not a mental health professional …yada yada yada]. Loss of job. Federal no-fly designation. This s$@^ has got to start hurting for these morons. [note, not a professional moron yada yada yada]. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/994 "2021-05-28T16:51:44Z")
As a further demonstration of the phenomenon of crank magnetism (where belief in one area of crankery/quackery frequently is accompanied by belief in other forms of jackassery), allow me to present Dr. Steven Gundry. You may be familiar with this guy from frequent clickbait ads which feature him promoting ways to lose tons of weight or gain other health benefits by eliminating _these two (or three) foods_.\* Gundry at one time seems to have been a respectable heart surgeon, but in recent years has dived into woo of various sorts, warning of the dread dangers of lectins in foods, “leaky gut” and other heavily dubious propositions, in addition to marketing a line of pricey and similarly dubious supplements. It turns out that Gundry has also been busy spreading nonsense about vaccines, including classic antivax claims about aluminum adjuvants being a “neurotoxin”, combination vaccines supposedly overloading the immune system and so on. He’s also fearmongered about Covid-19 vaccination, suggesting that early adopters of the vaccine are guinea pigs taking unnecessary chances (he thinks he has nothing to fear since he has a wonderful immune system; besides you’d do much better taking lots of vitamin C, elderberry extract etc.). He has a podcast to which he invites luminaries like Joe Mercola, another antivax hawker of supplements and idiotic medical advice. \*don’t eat beans, peas, squash, tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant and so on. It’s those dreaded lectins. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/995 "2021-06-04T20:51:25Z")
Good story on Respectful Insolence about a prominent antivaxer who risked death from severe anemia, rather than take the chance of getting transfusions from a vaccinated person. > **[Del Bigtree could have died because he refused transfusion from donors...](https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2021/06/04/bigtree-refused-transfusion-from-donors-vaccinated-covid-19/)** > > Del Bigtree almost bled to death from hemorrhoids but refused transfusion from donors who vaccinated against COVID-19 . This is fear mongering at its worst. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/996 "2021-06-05T01:39:38Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > hemorrhoids He almost bled to death from hemorrhoids??? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/997 "2021-06-05T02:36:21Z")
That’s his story anyway. Marked anemia from hemorrhoidal bleeding is rare but medically possible. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/998 "2021-06-05T03:23:02Z")
I must confess that I’m not as kind as the surgeon who wrote that piece. My first thought was that maybe this would shut up BigTree. Hah. He’s undoubtedly raking in even more cash now. And if he had bought the farm, some other snake oil salesman would have stepped right up and starting raking in the $$$. He and Mercola are beneath contempt, but you’ll never convince their followers. Any criticism makes them shell out even more cash to their idols. It’s a pretty sweet gig…if you have no conscience. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/999 "2021-06-05T14:10:29Z")
A lulu of a nurse gets “struck off” in the U.K. > **[Covid-denier and anti-vaxxer nurse struck off register by NMC | Nursing Times](https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/professional-regulation/covid-denier-and-anti-vaxxer-nurse-struck-off-register-by-nmc-04-06-2021/)** > > A nurse who denies the existence of Covid-19 and discourages people from getting vaccinated has been struck off the nursing register. A Nursing and I’m not sure I want to know what an “aesthetic” nurse does.\* \*cosmetic-type care, including such things as tattoo removal and liposuction. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1000 "2021-06-05T20:00:15Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > He almost bled to death from hemorrhoids??? Maybe he was an Incredibly Huge Asshole? ( Trump is my cite ) ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1001 "2021-06-10T03:28:54Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > He almost bled to death from hemorrhoids??? The Brits have a phrase that covers this: “Bleeding Arsehole”. Who kept trying to talk this one into a transfusion, anyway? It isn’t nice to mess with Darwinism. Dan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=51)