# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1022 "2021-09-17T13:19:39Z")
What do you call the cadet who graduated last in his class at West Point? General George Armstrong Custer. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1023 "2021-09-18T20:40:27Z")
Antivax misinformation takes another victim. > **[Kentucky bride-to-be who was concerned about COVID vaccine dies of virus at...](https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article254282068.html)** > > The 29-year-old surgical technician was concerned a COVID-19 vaccine may cause infertility. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1024 "2021-09-18T23:09:38Z")
The “Herman Cain Awards” subreddit is full of such stories. > **[r/HermanCainAward](https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/)** > > r/HermanCainAward: Nominees have made public declaration of their anti-mask, anti-vax, or Covid-hoax views, followed by admission to hospital for … And finally, get the fucking vaccine, you fucking fucks. Fuck. > **[Oh My Fucking God, Get the Fucking Vaccine Already, You Fucking Fucks](https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/oh-my-fucking-god-get-the-fucking-vaccine-already-you-fucking-fucks)** > > Hi, if you are reading this essay then congratulations, you are still alive. And if you are alive, then you have either gotten the COVID-19 vaccine... ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1025 "2021-09-19T00:38:30Z")
See, this _is_ sad. She probably saw some Instacrap and got misled. And now she’s dead. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1026 "2021-09-19T00:45:24Z")
On a related note, check out [SAY NO TO SMOKE DETECTORS!!!](https://www.saynotosmokedetectors.com/). It shows how defective the arguments of anti-vaxers really are, ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1027 "2021-09-19T00:46:44Z")
Very nice. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1028 "2021-09-19T00:49:13Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Antivax misinformation takes another victim. > > [https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article254282068.html](https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article254282068.html) Anti-vaxxer kills 4 year old daughter. > **[Kali Cook, Galveston County's youngest COVID fatality, was 'beautiful',...](https://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_22ebef04-ed48-5972-b8d7-f217b4e3b3c8.html)** > > The child died in her sleep at home within hours of manifesting a slight fever, her mother said. > About 2 a.m. Tuesday, Harwood’s mother noticed Kali had a fever, she said. They gave her medicine to combat it. > > By 7 a.m., Kali was gone. > > “She died in her sleep,” Harwood said. > > Harwood and most of the rest of her family were quarantined because of their own COVID infections. She said she and her fiancé were out of work because of the pandemic. > > Harwood said she wasn’t vaccinated. > > “I was one of the people that was anti, I was against it,” she said. “Now, I wish I never was.” Too little, too late, bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1029 "2021-09-19T02:50:48Z")
It’s not real unless it affects ME personally. Then HELP!!! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1030 "2021-09-19T11:17:41Z")
Parents who refuse vaccination are essentially no different from parents who drive their kid around town drunk without seatbelts. No different - maybe even more reckless, actually. They should be charged with child endangerment. I know they won’t since the system is biased to punish “biblical sins” like engaging in sex and drinking alcohol, and simultaneously assumes that parents should have the freedom to believe in science or not. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1031 "2021-09-19T14:07:03Z")
From the same source > **[Wake Up, Sailors, Scurvy Is a Hoax](https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/wake-up-sailors-scurvy-is-a-hoax)** > > I’m just a lowly seventeenth-century British sailor, not some fancy-pants seventeenth-century British sawbones, but there’s one thing I know for su... ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1032 "2021-09-19T16:16:15Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > From the same source > > [https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/wake-up-sailors-scurvy-is-a-hoax](https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/wake-up-sailors-scurvy-is-a-hoax) I read an account of an English prisoner-of-war who was captured by the Germans in WWI. He ended up suffering from scurvy and wrote that prior to his experience he believed the accounts from sailors in previous centuries had been exaggerated. After his stint as a POW, he could confirm that scurvy was every bit as bad as the old sailors had attested. My mother is an anti-vaxxer. She refers to the COVID vaccination as “kill shots.” She’s a retired nurse and should no better but she’s socially isolated and spends all of her time getting information from dubious online sources. Over the last few years she’s really gone down a rabbit hole and is now posting 9/11 conspiracy theories. I’ve had a few acquaintances die from COVID this last year, and a few coworkers, but when I mention their deaths my mother starts talking about comorbidities and statistics and how that doesn’t demonstrate that the virus is dangerous. My brother-in-law’s cousin, who was in her early 20s, just died from COVID and my mother just repeated her same mantra about comorbidities and statistics. And I’m sad to say that it’s damaged our relationship. I visit her once a week but I don’t really talk about anything of substance because I don’t really want to hear what she has to say about anything of substance. So I just make small talk, help her around the house with whatever I can, and sometimes take her to lunch and that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1033 "2021-09-19T17:49:02Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > My mother is an anti-vaxxer. She refers to the COVID vaccination as “kill shots.” She’s a retired nurse and should no better but she’s socially isolated and spends all of her time getting information from dubious online sources. Over the last few years she’s really gone down a rabbit hole and is now posting 9/11 conspiracy theories. I’ve had a few acquaintances die from COVID this last year, and a few coworkers, but when I mention their deaths my mother starts talking about comorbidities and statistics and how that doesn’t demonstrate that the virus is dangerous. My brother-in-law’s cousin, who was in her early 20s, just died from COVID and my mother just repeated her same mantra about comorbidities and statistics. > > And I’m sad to say that it’s damaged our relationship. I visit her once a week but I don’t really talk about anything of substance because I don’t really want to hear what she has to say about anything of substance. So I just make small talk, help her around the house with whatever I can, and sometimes take her to lunch and that’s it. That’s sad. How old is she? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1034 "2021-09-19T19:43:52Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > That’s sad. How old is she? She’s in her mid-60s now. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1035 "2022-03-08T12:48:59Z")
> **[Israeli child tests positive for polio - first case since 1989](https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-700510)** > > The case of the four-year-old in Jerusalem is investigated as parents in Israel urged to continue following normal vaccination program Note that: > Since 1979, no cases of polio have originated in the United States. However, the virus has been brought into the country by travelers with polio. The last time this happened was in 1993. It takes only one traveler with polio to bring the disease into the United States. > **[Why CDC is Working to End Polio Globally](https://www.cdc.gov/polio/why-are-we-involved/index.htm)** > > Polio transmission anywhere puts children at risk everywhere. So I wonder how long until polio will start re-appearing in the U.S.? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1036 "2022-03-08T15:34:22Z")
Our last imported case was in 1993; the last one originating in the U.S. was in 1979. Interruptions in vaccine services and physician visits due to the pandemic have led to concerns that we could see outbreaks of previously limited or eradicated vaccine-preventable diseases. > **[Will COVID-19 Lead to a Resurgence of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases?](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7823094/)** > > The outbreak of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) has been affecting various sectors, including regular health services negatively. Vaccination, which saves the lives of 2–3 million populations of different age groups every year, is one of the most ... ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1037 "2022-08-02T13:00:11Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > So I wonder how long until polio will start re-appearing in the U.S.? Answering my own question: > **[NY county with polio has pitiful 60% vaccination rate; 1,000s may be infected](https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/08/ny-county-with-polio-has-pitiful-60-vaccination-rate-1000s-may-be-infected/)** > > Hundreds need to be infected for one paralytic case to arise. And the virus keeps moving. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1038 "2022-08-02T17:04:00Z")
Oh golly, Rockland County NY. The ultra-religious Orthodox Jewish (Haredi) sects that have built some substantial, and somewhat culturally isolationist, communities there tend to be susceptible to antivax rhetoric and have low vaccination rates, hence their central role in a major measles outbreak in 2019. So now we’re going to see outbreaks of polio AND antisemitism. Great. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1039 "2022-08-02T20:25:28Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > So now we’re going to see outbreaks of polio AND antisemitism. Well, it kind of goes along with covid and anti-everyone-that-looks-slightly-Asian thing. Eventually we will get to everybody on the bigot list. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1040 "2022-08-12T11:08:07Z")
Not just the US. > **[All children aged 1 to 9 in London to be offered a dose of polio vaccine](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/all-children-aged-1-to-9-in-london-to-be-offered-a-dose-of-polio-vaccine)** > > As further poliovirus has been detected in sewage, JCVI recommends that polio vaccine booster doses should be offered to children across London. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1041 "2022-08-13T15:32:56Z")
The annual conclave for antivaxers and hucksters who prey on the parents of autistic children, AutismOne, is set to run August 18-21 in Mesa, Arizona. In addition to antivaccine celebrities like Del Bigtree and Judy Mikovits, there’s an amazing array of alt practitioners ready to dish out autism cures. Perhaps most intriguing is Dietrich Klinghardt, MD and PhD, a “kind and gentle spirit”, who appears to have succeeded in finding the Cure For All Diseases. The root cause is of course mercury, but there are many other sub-causes and interventions one must employ to proceed through Klinghardt’s five levels of healing. It looks very complex, time-consuming and expensive, but a journey well worth taking for your autistic child. Klinghardt has noted lots of susceptibilities in autistic kids, including an “abnormally large energy field” and “trans-generational trauma”, in which the autistic child is a “sacrifice” to unresolved family secrets and crimes, but I found the following especially intriguing: “Klinghardt believes that scars on traumatized body parts create abnormal input into the autonomic nervous system with resultant adverse multi-system effects. Everyone has scars, starting with the place where the umbilical cord was cut. Other scars occur as a result of circumcision, tonsil removal, surgery, infections and accidents.” “Neural therapy” is a powerful Klinghardt invention that involves the injection of procaine, diluted medications and homeopathics into scars and acupuncture points. Scars and other unhealed focal areas are magnets for heavy metals, which Klinghardt demonstrates eloquently with ART. Injecting scars with healing substances helps the body mobilize the toxins and excrete them. The injections are superficial, safe, easy to learn, and effective for alleviating a wide variety of medical problems associated with toxicity." > **[An Autism Protocol for the 21st Century - Klinghardt Institute](http://klinghardtinstitute.com/book-chapters/an-autism-protocol-for-the-21st-century/)** > > Contributors: Dr Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, PhD with Elizabeth Hesse-Sheehan, DC, CCN Editor’s note: Dietrich Klinghardt MD, PhD is “a kind and gentle spirit who is authentically motivated to provide the most foundational treatments for patients to... Obviously it’s a mistake to sever the umbilical cord at birth and cause scarring - much better to leave it and the placenta attached to the baby until they eventually slough off naturally. Klinghardt promotes a CD you can play for your sleeping child that upsets internal pathogens with vibrations (it is said to work especially well on viruses). Painting the walls of the child’s room with graphite paint, making sure the head of the bed is away from any electrical outlets and undergoing other home alterations are a must. Various supplements and devices (like ionic foot baths with added cilantro) are useful as well.\* One expects that lots of life-saving products will be on sale to conference attendees. \*“If all else fails, move to a different house” says Klinghardt. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=53)