# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1042 "2022-08-13T16:00:47Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The annual conclave for antivaxers and hucksters who prey on the parents of autistic children, AutismOne, is set to run August 18-21 in Mesa, Arizona. Oh boy, I think I’ll make a giant sign with this thread title and go on over. The convention center is right next door to the Library. Talk about matter/anti-matter. Science and non-science; thought and no thought. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1043 "2022-08-13T17:13:04Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The injections are superficial I have no doubt about that… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1044 "2022-08-15T12:45:34Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > ionic foot baths with added cilantro Heston Blumenthal: “Hmmm - tell me more…” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1045 "2022-08-15T14:01:14Z")
I was thinking, _🎶 It’s like a foot bath with added cilantro._ _And isn’t it ironic? Don’t you think? 🎶_ 'Cause, ya know, cilantro tastes like soap. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1046 "2022-08-15T15:47:18Z")
Cilantro use in this context is based on the [claim](http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/food-news/cilantro-can-remove-most-of-heavy-metals-from-your-body-in-less-than-2-months/photostory/68285600.cms) that it purges heavy metals from your body, like magic! Except that evidence for such effects on the human body [is basically nonexistent](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/01/26/fact-check-unproven-claim-cilantro-removes-heavy-metal-brain/9087530002/). \*true, my current batch of homemade salsa includes a heaping handful of fresh cilantro, and by gum, I’m no longer magnetized and don’t stick to storm doors. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1047 "2022-08-15T19:19:41Z")
Whoa, now I know why the master chef from Futurama told Bender that cilantro was an ingredient of the Dark Side! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1048 "2022-08-30T00:47:25Z")
> **[Poliovirus outbreak expands in NY: Third county has vaccination rate of 62%](https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/08/poliovirus-spreads-to-yet-another-poorly-vaccinated-ny-county-62-immunized/)** > > "One New Yorker paralyzed by polio is already too many," state health commissioner says. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1049 "2022-08-31T00:42:24Z")
They’d better hope their insurance covers iron lungs. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1050 "2022-08-31T04:59:05Z")
They are not much used any more: > **[Decades after polio, Martha is among the last to still rely on an iron lung...](https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1047691984/decades-after-polio-martha-is-among-the-last-to-still-rely-on-an-iron-lung-to-br)** > > Martha Lillard had just turned 5 years old when polio incapacitated her. She still uses a form of the ventilator that saved her life as a child — though now she worries about replacement parts. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1051 "2022-09-10T00:35:03Z")
> **[Polio declared a disaster emergency in New York after more poliovirus found](https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/09/polio-declared-a-disaster-emergency-in-new-york-after-more-poliovirus-found/)** > > The declaration will expand vaccine access and require vaccine data reporting. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1052 "2022-09-19T19:47:15Z")
Having recently been diagnosed with COVID, after 2.5 years of being careful and being fully vaxxed / boosted, but Masks Aren’t Necessary On Transit Any More (I most likely caught it while waiting to board, or while onboard, Amtrak), I have formed the rather uncharitable opinion that people who refuse vaccination for other than legitimate scientific reasons DESERVE to die of Covid, and bloody well ought to get on and do just that as quickly as possible. I’m not proud of that opinion. But it applies to other antivax attitudes well (except it’s not their own lives they’re playing with then, it’s their CHILDREN’s lives). ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1053 "2022-09-19T19:51:36Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > I have formed the rather uncharitable opinion that people who refuse vaccination for other than legitimate scientific reasons DESERVE to die of Covid, and bloody well ought to get on and do just that as quickly as possible. I’m right there with you. Good luck, and get better soon. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1054 "2022-09-20T15:47:44Z")
Steve Kirsch, a wealthy tech entrepreneur who has gained prominence during the pandemic by promoting worthless Covid treatments and attacking vaccination, is very proud of his latest achievement. Kirsch thinks that vaccine safety data from Israel shows horrific safety problems with Covid-19 vaccination (it doesn’t), and decided to shove it in the face of the chairman of the U.S. Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, Stanford pediatrics professor Grace Lee M.D. Miffed that Lee wasn’t responding to his e-mails and texting, Kirsch decided to up his game. From his Substack blog: “Since she conveniently lives just 10 minutes from my house, I went to her front door and rang the doorbell. I waited and waited for her to answer the door, but nobody came to the door. So I left.” _"I’ve tried this multiple times_ (italics added). I guess I keep missing her. Darn." “Today I tried again. This time I waited because there was a light on inside the house. I waited about 20 minutes for her to answer the door. After all, she could be on zoom call, taking a shower, or doing something important like feeding the dog.” “I just wanted an answer… “why don’t you want to see the data?” That’s it.” Eventually a couple of local police officers showed up at Lee’s house to deal with what strongly resembles stalking, for which he somehow avoided arrest. [More on Kirsch and his descent into Covid quackery and antivax promotion](https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-valley-millionaire-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation/). ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1055 "2022-11-11T02:34:43Z")
> **[Measles outbreak erupts among unvaccinated children in Ohio daycare](https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/measles-outbreak-erupts-among-unvaccinated-children-in-ohio-daycare/)** > > Officials reportedly expect that more cases will be identified. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1056 "2022-11-14T04:28:10Z")
Is the Jenny McCarthy bodycount site still active? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1057 "2022-11-14T18:03:12Z")
Seems to have [stopped counting in 2015.](https://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1058 "2022-11-14T20:24:19Z")
That’s the last year included; copyright on the bottom says 2019. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1059 "2022-11-16T17:49:52Z")
Getting worse: > **[Measles outbreak jumps to 7 Ohio daycares, 1 school—all with unvaccinated kids](https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/measles-outbreak-jumps-to-7-ohio-daycares-1-school-all-with-unvaccinated-kids/)** > > The highly contagious virus is spreading amid slipping vaccination rates. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1060 "2022-12-02T23:02:57Z")
> **[Ohio measles outbreak nearly triples, expected to last “several months”](https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/12/ohio-measles-outbreak-nearly-triples-expected-to-last-several-months/)** > > "Don't wait. Don't wait until after the holiday. Get them vaccinated now." ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2022, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1061 "2022-12-05T03:00:00Z")
One of the worst manifestations of Covid-19 antivax activism is the obituary ghoul. These people leap on news of any sudden or unexpected death, the younger the person the better, in order to insinuate or outright proclaim that the death must’ve been due to Covid-19 vaccination. No evidence is necessary; contrary evidence is ignored or denied on the grounds that all respected media sources are lying. This has led to memes like unprecedented deaths of athletes (neither unprecedented nor linked to vaccination), the “80 Young Canadian Doctor Deaths” (most of these docs weren’t young (some were in their late 60s), and/or died of advanced stage cancer or other non-vaccine-related disorders) and just about any random death they can pluck from the news that seems promising. One of these was the case of a Baltimore Ravens player who died unexpectedly (had to be the vaccine!!!), except that an autopsy determined it was due to a drug overdose. The current rage is [“Died Suddenly”](https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking/anti-vaccine-documentary-died-suddenly-wants-you-feel-not-think), a nonsensical film featuring Brave Maverick Embalmers who think they’re seeing weird blood clots (most of which look like typical post-mortem clots of no clinical significance) which their superior medical skills and extrasensory perception tell them must be vaccine-related. The film features scary music, embalmers whose faces are blacked out to prevent retribution by the Depopulation Conspiracy, and sequences of people passing out, although not due to vaccination. One video clip shows a surgeon removing a big saddle embolus from a patient. The kicker here is that the surgery took place before Covid-19 vaccines were available. Ooops, sorry about that. The “ignorant scumbags” (to quote the OP) march on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=54)