# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1062 "2022-12-05T19:14:22Z")
As if this thread needed more egregious examples of its premise, [here’s another](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/05/world/australia/new-zealand-baby-vaccine.html?action=click&algo=bandit-all-surfaces-variants-shadow-lda-unique-time-cutoff-30&alpha=0.05&block=trending_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=471114949&impression_id=2decd9fb-74d0-11ed-948c-7b89582f1ee7&index=0&pgtype=Article&pool=pool%2F91fcf81c-4fb0-49ff-bd57-a24647c85ea1®ion=footer&req_id=677779610&shadow_vec_sim=0.24269589773992345&surface=eos-most-popular-story&variant=0_bandit-eng30s-shadow-lda-unique) (NY Times, probably paywalled): > A New Zealand couple is refusing to allow their infant son to undergo lifesaving heart surgery using blood from people vaccinated against Covid-19, showing how vaccine misinformation continues to manifest in unexpected ways two years into global inoculation campaigns. > > The 4-month-old is critically ill with a severe case of pulmonary valve stenosis, a heart valve disorder. The boy’s mother says she wants her son’s operation to take place without delay, but she has demanded that “safe blood” be used, with her lawyer saying that the family was concerned about blood containing traces of vaccines using new mRNA technology. > The case, and the family’s flawed scientific arguments, highlight the continuing dangers of online misinformation and conspiracist narratives, experts say. The dispute has “become a cause célèbre in the most toxic way,” prompting a spike in hate speech on fringe platforms where conspiracy theories run rife, said Sanjana Hattotuwa, a researcher at [the Disinformation Project](https://thedisinfoproject.org/media-coverage/), a New Zealand monitoring group > [Academics](https://www.waikato.ac.nz/news-opinion/media/2021/covid-disinformation-and-extremism-are-on-the-rise-in-new-zealand-what-are-the-risks-of-it-turning-violent) and New Zealand’s [security services](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/national-security-advisors-warn-covid-19-restrictions-and-vaccine-rollout-could-trigger-terror-attack.html) have pointed to ongoing concerns over violent extremism linked to conspiracist, anti-vaccine ideology. [This month](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/479923/childhood-abuse-a-cannibal-brother-and-covid-conspiracies-the-life-of-saboteur-graham-philip), a 62-year-old man was sentenced after being convicted of sabotage for plotting to bring down the country’s power grid to draw attention to his anti-vaccination beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2022, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1063 "2022-12-05T21:14:03Z")
Even if there were something deficient about blood from vaxxed donors – which of course there isn’t – this couple displays rare idiocy: - No blood donation: Baby dies. - Vaxxed blood donation: Baby may live and may have issues down the road. So they’re literally willing to let their baby die instead of risking health issues later in his life – health issues that _don’t actually exist_. Maybe it’s best that their genetic lines end after all. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1064 "2022-12-05T21:21:06Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > it’s best that their genetic lines end after all. That’s the how evolution is supposed to work. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1065 "2022-12-05T21:32:05Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > So they’re literally willing to let their baby die instead of risking health issues later in his life – health issues that _don’t actually exist_. Depending on how far down the QAnon rabbit hole they’ve gone, they may believe the options are, “Let the baby die and go to Jesus,” versus, “Give the baby an injection that will alter its DNA so fundamentally that God will no longer recognize it as human and refuse it entry into the Kingdom of Heaven.” ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1066 "2022-12-05T21:48:11Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > So they’re literally willing to let their baby die instead of risking health issues later in his life – health issues that _don’t actually exist_. In cases such as this one, parents think that they can dodge “contaminated” blood by getting unvaccinated volunteers to donate blood “just in case”. There are problems with that idea, including risks of transmissible disease from people who aren’t really suitable donors but feel pressured to donate (pre-transfusion testing to identify disease organisms isn’t perfect). There [are other problems as well](http://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8442217/). And if you’re going to make exceptions for the “purebloods” on this score, what about people who don’t want blood from “inferior” ethnic groups or races? There are literally people who say they’d refuse a transfusion no matter what the cost, like this guy who posted an online comment regarding the New Zealand case. "I will not have a blood transfusion, I’ll die first. I will not ride on a plane, all the pilots are jabbed and could clot and die anytime. I will not get a shot in the Dr.s office, I don’t trust them to not slip the jab in. I will not get tested for Covid, don’t trust them having me in their database I will not do anything where a mask or jab is mandatory.” The insane are among us. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1067 "2022-12-06T15:12:07Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > they may believe the options are, “Let the baby die and go to Jesus,” versus, “Give the baby an injection that will alter its DNA so fundamentally that God will no longer recognize it as human and refuse it entry into the Kingdom of Heaven.” Seems reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1068 "2022-12-06T15:24:22Z")
God is easily fooled after all and doesn’t pay a lot of attention ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1069 "2022-12-07T01:40:41Z")
Pretty weak god, must have gotten tired after all the smiting and genocide in the Old Testament. HIs protege Jesus, isn’t so hot either. Hasn’t inspired any Christians to actually follow his teachings. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1070 "2022-12-07T14:34:52Z")
The antivax obituary ghouls are at it again. Kirstie Alley didn’t die of cancer, the Deep State silenced her to prevent her speaking out against vaccines. > **[QAnon Thinks Kirstie Alley Was Murdered Because She Was an Anti-vaxxer](https://www.vice.com/en/article/z347va/qanon-kirstie-alley-anti-vax-murder)** > > Alley, a vocal Trump supporter, had spread multiple conspiracy theories on her social media channels in recent years about COVID-19 and vaccines. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1071 "2022-12-07T17:12:24Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > the Deep State silenced her to prevent her speaking out against vaccines. Well, maybe these Qanoniacs should shut up, or the deep state might “silence” them, too. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1072 "2022-12-07T20:00:44Z")
Some good news: > **[High Court takes guardianship of sick baby at the centre of dispute over...](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/480297/high-court-takes-guardianship-of-sick-baby-at-the-centre-of-dispute-over-donor-blood)** > > A baby who urgently needs heart surgery has been placed under guardianship of the High Court until completion of his surgery and post-operative recovery. Hopefully the surgery goes well and the parents don’t reject their “contaminated” child. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1073 "2022-12-07T20:56:25Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Some good news: That is good news, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1074 "2022-12-07T20:56:35Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Hopefully the surgery goes well and the parents don’t reject their “contaminated” child. Would it really be the worst thing if they did reject him? If they are unwilling to provide basic medical care for their child, I don’t think he’ll survive long with them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1075 "2022-12-08T03:34:47Z")
Right. Maybe the court should keep them out of the child’s life. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1076 "2022-12-09T16:08:32Z")
The baby is reportedly doing well after heart surgery. The lawyer representing the family in their effort to block surgery with the potential for “contaminated” transfusions, Sue Grey, has [an interesting history](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/complaint-lodged-against-anti-vaccination-campaigner-and-lawyer-sue-grey-18-months-ago-unresolved/QDQ5KR7X4ZGLJLROI7QBMFLPOI/). She’s an antivaxer who has compared vaccination to rape and murder according to her Wikipedia profile, called extension of Covid-19 vaccination to 12 to 17-year-olds “government-mandated genocide” and also opposes 5G. Apparently New Zealand has [its full share of loons](https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/21-04-2021/how-alternative-festivals-became-platforms-for-conspiracy-theorists). ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1077 "2022-12-09T17:17:17Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > called extension of Covid-19 vaccination to 12 to 17-year-olds “government-mandated genocide” ‘Oh you just wait! Seventy or eighty years from now ,when all those victims of teh Jab start dieing ,yule see we where right after all! A entire generashun murdered in the prime of there old age!’ ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1078 "2022-12-20T21:29:51Z")
Yeah, but most everyone from that age group that GOT covid will die sooner. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1079 "2023-02-28T23:18:23Z")
Kentucky measles case traced to “spiritual revival” with big attendance from around the country. Potential superspreader event? No need for vaccination if you’ve got the Holy Spirit. > **[Measles case linked to Kentucky revival](https://www.wabi.tv/2023/02/27/measles-case-linked-kentucky-revival/)** > > Health officials said that the infected person attended the Asbury University revival. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1080 "2023-03-01T01:12:24Z")
Wouldn’t be the first time. Even ignoring COVID Measles outbreak at Texas megachurch in 2013: > **[Measles outbreak tied to Texas megachurch sickens 21](https://www.nbcnews.com/healthmain/measles-outbreak-tied-texas-megachurch-sickens-21-8c11009315)** > > An outbreak of measles tied to a Texas megachurch where ministers have questioned vaccination has sickened at least 21 people, including a 4-month-old infant -- and it’s expected to grow, state and federal health officials said. “There’s likely a lot... There’s suggestive (but not conclusive) evidence they’re also responsible for a Pertussis outbreak around the same time. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1081 "2023-03-01T05:10:54Z")
But, but, getting sick represents a lack of faith. Dying is even more damning. If only they’d prayed harder\*! \*How do you pray harder? Louder? With sweat? Dance (or not dance)? Can you pray hardest? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=55)