# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2024, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1182 "2024-05-08T14:52:02Z")
Welllllllll … I can thing of one thing, assuming both parties are amenable. Hey, waitaminit, weren’t we yelling at anti-vax here? Helluva hijack, even by Dope standards. ETA: two things, assuming one has the proper type of battery available. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1183 "2024-05-08T15:23:04Z")
Please don’t report me for hijack. I meant no washes or food items should be there. Its at its best when left alone, I found that out, re- wish they had the hpv vax long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1184 "2024-05-08T16:47:59Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > So in Ohio, you can espouse bizarre lunacy and still legally practice medicine. Hell, in Texas, we had a [sociopathic doctor maim and kill patients while high on cocaine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Duntsch) and the board still didn’t suspend him for months while they investigated resulting in even more injuries and deaths. That was hardly a decade ago. Ohio putting an anti-vax loon or a virulent antisemitic conspiracy theorist back into practice seems to be par in conservative states. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2024, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1185 "2024-05-08T17:00:15Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Ohio putting an anti-vax loon or a virulent antisemitic conspiracy theorist back into practice seems to be par in conservative states. I was going to point out that the virulent anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist doc I referred to lives in southwest England. But it turns out that Sherri Tenpenny [apparently fits into that category too](https://www.thejc.com/news/leading-anti-vaxx-influencers-promote-jew-hate-to-hundreds-of-thousands-op15aprz). > [@](#): > > …a post - discovered on Telegram and attributed to Sherri Tenpenny – which says “the CEOs of the major vaccine manufacturers are Jews”. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1186 "2024-05-08T17:30:45Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Please don’t report me for hijack. This is the Pit, hijacks are part of the culture. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1187 "2024-05-08T17:32:13Z")
Whew. Well, sod you then, and your cheeto fingers! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1188 "2024-05-08T23:18:54Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > I am still not magnetic. I am sorely disappointed, I was positive it would happen after my 6th covid jab Hey, first you were positive and now you’re negative. That’s close enough, isn’t it? > [@JaneDoe42](#): > > A different person told me that it was best that I did not attend a volunteer meeting because I had recently gotten a jab and would be leaking viruses all over the place. I am no longer a volunteer. I would have coughed on them for telling something that incredibly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1189 "2024-05-09T03:12:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I would have coughed on them for telling something that incredibly stupid. The person who said that to me was a hospice nurse. I honestly blue screened when she said that and it took long enough to reset that she was already walking away. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1190 "2024-05-09T03:34:55Z")
Maganut said we couldn’t date because when vaxxed people touched him he got sick. Of course theres a blind test he could’ve done that would’ve proven him wrong, but, truly he did me a favor. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1191 "2024-05-13T10:22:28Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Maganut said we couldn’t date because when vaxxed people touched him he got sick. So if you _don’t_ get vaccinated you become Maganutic? ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1192 "2024-05-13T12:20:52Z")
That was good! Its too late. But at least I’ll never be short of dimes. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1193 "2024-08-08T00:27:31Z")
A crazily high percent of Republicans have anti-vax beliefs: > **[31% of Republicans say vaccines are more dangerous than diseases they prevent](https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/08/31-of-republicans-say-vaccines-are-more-dangerous-than-diseases-they-prevent/)** > > The partisan divide on vaccine falsehoods threatens the health of children nationwide. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1194 "2024-08-08T01:10:44Z")
Republican voters look to their leaders on vaccination, and many of them are either opposed to mandatory childhood vaccination or are outright antivaccine. On multiple fronts, the G.O.P. has become the anti-science party. It’s hard to fathom how anyone in the medical and scientific communities can support Republican candidates, knowing that party majorities threaten our well-being and scientific progress. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1195 "2024-08-10T20:10:48Z")
This seems the best place to put this, because I think if not true anti-vax, it is anti-vax coddling. School starts soon, so looking at the my kid’s information page the school has “non-conformant” for this year’s vaccines. No problem, we got them at the start of the summer, and the antibodies have been fully upgraded; it’s just not been entered into the school’s records. I go to the school’s health page to find where to send the records, and there is no information. However, the state requires resubmitting vaccine opt-out forms every year. Those forms and instructions on what to do with them _are_ on the health page. So, don’t want to vax, here is how to opt-out; vaxxed? no instructions to tell the school about it. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1196 "2024-08-14T04:31:57Z")
I hate saying this, but while I despise anti-vaxxers, whenever they argue their distrust in institutions like the media and the pharmaceutical industry, and if it were strictly that, I’d agree. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1197 "2024-08-14T05:04:35Z")
I mean, though, there’s distrust and “distrust”. Do I trust pharmaceutical companies and the media not to over-hype and over-sell some new medications that may not be a necessary or optimal treatment for some more or less manageable condition? No, not necessarily: they’ve got huge incentives to convince us that such-and-such a condition is suddenly a huge public health problem that this (expensive) drug will fix. Do I trust them not to be deliberately, or even ignorantly, pushing and hyping outright poisons and mystery microchips in the guise of cheap vaccines, when both the health dangers of the diseases in question and the basics of the vaccine technologies have been well understood for years? Well, call me a credulous fool, but yeah I pretty much do. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1198 "2024-08-14T10:35:02Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Do I trust them not to be deliberately, or even ignorantly, pushing and hyping outright poisons and mystery microchips in the guise of cheap vaccines, when both the health dangers of the diseases in question and the basics of the vaccine technologies have been well understood for years? Well, call me a credulous fool, but yeah I pretty much do. Yeah! Ha. I’m with you there. I’ve just had a difficult time cutting through certain people’s utter cynicism. It’s discouraging, because these institutions don’t do themselves any favors in that regard. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1199 "2024-08-14T14:13:07Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I hate saying this, but while I despise anti-vaxxers, whenever they argue their distrust in institutions like the media and the pharmaceutical industry, and if it were strictly that, I’d agree. What escapes antivaxers (deliberately or due to grossly deficient critical thinking capacity) is that without vaccines, Big Pharma would make vastly greater profits from drugs and products used to treat millions of cases of vaccine-preventable disease. The example i like to use is the case in Oregon where a single case of tetanus in an unvaccinated child resulted in medical bills approaching $1 million. I cited [that story](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/an-unvaccinated-oregon-boy-almost-died-of-tetanus-cdc-says#:~:text=PORTLAND%2C%20Ore.,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention) for an antivaxer recently, who retorted that such cases were “rare”. Guess why they’re rare, dumbass.\* Also: if you’re guided by suspicion of drug makers, by all means throw out insulin and other meds to control diabetes, refuse antibiotics in the case of a serious infection or sepsis, and say no to clot-busting drugs if threatened by incipient stroke. You can’t trust Big Pharma!! \*the kicker is that after intense effort by medical providers saved his life, the child’s parents still refused to have him vaccinated. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1200 "2024-08-14T19:59:40Z")
I asked a once friend of mine, if he’d ever go to the hospital for anything, ever again. He said it depended on the situation. I miss the guy because he was very, funny and fun, most of the time, but then it got to race shit, and antisemitic shit, I was like, ok, can’t stay now. Very strange dude, but extremely brilliant in other ways, (Music, knowledge of computers and other electronics, I believe he excelled a great deal at school and college. I would assume which would have lead to confidence in other facets of knowledge? I don’t know. Ironically, he’s certainty down with illegal drugs, which I would assume, quite a lot of other people that believe this garbo are, as well. He’s pretty responsible with it, in my opinion, for as long as I’ve known him, but he’s done things I haven’t and he would do certain thing (sans weed) a little more frequently than me, because most everything I’ve tried, it was just once, and had absolutely little-to-no effect. Weed (THC in general) works for some reason, but I’m not exactly eager to put yo stank mushrooms into my mouth. That is disgusting. I don’t know… I can have disagreements and have spirited debates, but he’d rarely budge on deeply held beliefs. and his shit was dangerous and hateful. RIP our friendship. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1201 "2024-08-14T20:13:26Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I asked a once friend of mine, if he’d ever go to the hospital for anything, ever again. He said it depended on the situation. That’s not as extreme as the alties who say they’d absolutely refuse any and all medical and hospital care, _possibly_ excepting severe trauma for which surgery _might_ be necessary. Long ago I had…discussions online for awhile with one of these people (who also was a virulent antivaxer). He was a major player on a popular altie website, wrote articles for Natural News on how terrible mainstream health care (including cardiology) was and promoted a toxic concoction he called “oleander soup” for cancer. He eventually wound up hospitalized with what sounded like major heart failure, posting from his bed and showing all the supplement pill bottles he’d smuggled into the hospital (and which his meanie caregivers were trying to deny him). He didn’t make it. It’s a solid bet that his supporters placed the blame for his demise on using evidence-based care, when it was too late to save him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=61)