# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2025, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1282 "2025-02-14T23:36:51Z")
President Trump Signs Executive Order Prohibiting Funding for Schools with COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/syKZ6DVJ-As/maxresdefault.jpg "President Trump Signs Executive Order Prohibiting Funding for Schools with COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syKZ6DVJ-As) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1283 "2025-02-15T00:01:56Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > > The Texas Department of State Health Services is reporting an outbreak of measles in the South Plains region of Texas. At this time, 48 cases have been identified with symptom onset within the last three weeks. Thirteen of the patients have been hospitalized. All of the cases are unvaccinated or their vaccination status is unknown. Due to the highly contagious nature of this disease, additional cases are likely to occur in Gaines County and the surrounding communities. > > [Measles Outbreak– Feb. 14, 2025 | Texas DSHS](https://www.dshs.texas.gov/news-alerts/measles-outbreak-feb-14-2025) > > But I expect that before the end of the Trump administration we will be discussing outbreaks of much bigger magnitudes–in the hundreds and thousands of cases. I’ve seen a Trumpite claim that the measles outbreak is due to migrants. No evidence supplied or needed. What we do know is that cases are heavily in school-age unvaccinated children. > [@](#): > > There’s also a large Mennonite population, a religious sect that believes in “total separation from the outside world,” [according to the Texas State Historical Association](https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/mennonites#). These Mennonites chose to settle in Gaines County, in part, for its lack of regulation on private schools. This includes vaccine mandates. > > As of the 2023-24 school year, Gaines County had one of the state’s highest vaccine exemption rates, at nearly 18%, according to[health department data.](https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunizations/data/school/conscientious-exemptions) > **[In rural West Texas, a measles outbreak grows with no end in sight](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/measles-outbreak-west-texas-grows-unvaccinated-rcna192163)** > > At least 49 cases have been confirmed. Health officials — who are scrambling to get a handle on the vaccine-preventable outbreak — suspect 200 to 300 people may be infected. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1284 "2025-02-15T00:56:00Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > Consider getting an RSV vax too One good thing about the RSV shot is that it’s a one and done; you don’t need boosters. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1285 "2025-02-15T01:10:42Z")
Yeah, I felt worse than when I had covid. Its okay to get 2 vax’s at once? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1286 "2025-02-15T01:12:48Z")
This county, and the adjacent Lea County in New Mexico, are doing free vaccination clinics. I hope as many people take advantage as possible. > **[West Texas measles outbreak doubles to 48 cases | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/14/health/measles-texas-outbreak/index.html)** > > The measles outbreak first reported in Gaines County, Texas, has doubled to 48 cases in the last four days, the Texas Department of State Health Services said in a statement Friday. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1287 "2025-02-15T01:28:30Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Its okay to get 2 vax’s at once? Yes, the pharmacist ok’ed me getting covid and flu shots on the same visit. Plus then you only have to do one bus trip. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1288 "2025-02-15T01:34:12Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I am 64 with no medical conditions. I will ask my dr. My physical is coming up early April. Don’t wait until April. Get it now. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1289 "2025-02-15T01:38:26Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > Yes, the pharmacist ok’ed me getting covid and flu shots on the same visit. I’ve done that. You’re extra sore but it’s not _that_ bad and then it’s all done. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1290 "2025-02-15T01:41:36Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > > [@SuntanLotion](#): > > > > I am 64 with no medical conditions. I will ask my dr. My physical is coming up early April. > > Don’t wait until April. Get it now. Sorry about the confusion. I will get vaxxed asap. I can call and ask my dr about the rsv. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1291 "2025-02-15T01:45:05Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I can call and ask my dr about the rsv. The age and eligibility for RSV. Without other chronic health condition and a slightly higher age your doc may advised you to wait. Ask the pharmacist who gives you your Covid and flu vax, they will know the precise parameters. I was 73, have asthma and one paralyzed lung and spend a lot of time with two germ factory grandkids (6 and 2, both in school or preschool). ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1292 "2025-02-15T01:52:10Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Its okay to get 2 vax’s at once? I got my flu and COVID (Moderna booster) shots together and other than a mildly sore arm for a couple of days, no problem. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1293 "2025-02-15T02:04:19Z")
What could go wrong with not getting vaccinated. [Just ask Vance’s (I think the relationship is) niece.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/jd-vance-relative-12-refused-193226156.html) (The link goes to _Yahoo_.) > A relative of Vice President [JD Vance](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jd-vance) says an Ohio hospital has refused to put her 12-year-old daughter on its [heart transplant](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/heart-transplant) waiting list over her vaccine status. > > Jeneen Deal, a mom-of-12 from Indiana who is related to Vance’s half-siblings through marriage, adopted Adaline from China as a 4-year-old knowing the little girl had two heart conditions, Ebstein’s anomaly and Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome, that meant she would one day require a transplant. And why hasn’t she been vaccinated? > The facility requires that heart transplant patients receive vaccinations for [Covid-19](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/covid-19) and flu as recipients are at much higher risk of infection – something the Deals aren’t willing to allow for their daughter. > > Deal and her husband Brayton, who are both members of a non-denominational Christian church, said that the [vaccines](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/vaccines) conflict with their religious and medical beliefs and that they would not be willing to inoculate their daughter. > > The pair have broadcast both their faith and vaccine skepticism in posts on their Facebook pages Contrary to your medical belief? What, pray tell, qualifies you have have medical beliefs in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1294 "2025-02-15T02:23:13Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Contrary to your medical belief? What, pray tell, qualifies you have have medical beliefs in the first place? And yet these fuckwads are perfectly happy to use modern medicine for a heart transplant. Just none of that icky devil-spawn vaccines! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1295 "2025-02-15T02:30:30Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Contrary to your medical belief? What, pray tell, qualifies you have have medical beliefs in the first place? Yeah, what even is a “medical belief”? You can have religious or political or other ideological beliefs about matters of subjective opinion. And of course you’re free to believe anything you want about any subject whatever, including medical matters. But “medical belief” isn’t a coherent concept like “medical knowledge” or “medical uncertainty”. It’s just a figure of speech to conceal the fact that you’re rejecting medical facts in deference to your own irrational convictions. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1296 "2025-02-15T02:53:27Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > But “medical belief” isn’t a coherent concept like “medical knowledge” or “medical uncertainty”. It’s just a figure of speech to conceal the fact that you’re rejecting medical facts in deference to your own irrational convictions. Right. And I’m honestly surprsied the PRC’s government hasn’t said something about this yet. Maybe they feel they have it covered with their ban on foreigners from adopting Chinese children. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1297 "2025-02-15T03:01:07Z")
Expect an Executive Order prohibiting using vaccine status as a requirement for transplants by morning. > **[Trump bars federal funding to schools with COVID vaccine mandates](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-bars-federal-funding-schools-covid-vaccine-mandates/story?id=118836337)** > > The executive order applies to students and not to teachers or staff.  ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1298 "2025-02-15T03:58:53Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I’ve seen a Trumpite claim that the measles outbreak is due to migrants. No evidence supplied or needed. Hell, here’s a post I made 12 YEARS ago about a US measles outbreak, i.e. pre-Trump, responding to a poster using that same old “dirty immigrant” racist schtick. People can suck sometimes. Or a lot of the time, really. > [@Massive measles outbreak - thank you, Andrew Fucking Wakefield](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/686): > > Bullshit. Why don’t they “have access”? Because they’re from Mexico? You think they don’t have vaccinations in Mexico? Why not? Mexico, unlike the US and like much of the rest of the developed world, has a fucking public [universal health system](http://open.salon.com/blog/loveinmexico/2011/02/14/a_healthy_body_politic_vaccines_in_mexico). Vaccinations are free and widely available to the public. And they’re pretty good about making sure kids get them. Vaccination rates for [pertussis](http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.IDPT/countries) and [measles](http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.MEAS/countries) is higher in Mexico than the US. “Never had access”? What the fuck does that mean? Not only… ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1299 "2025-02-15T18:28:45Z")
Shortly before Christmas I got my flu, covid and RSV shots on the same trip to CVS, two in my left arm and one in my right. I don’t remember which went where, but I had minimal aftereffects from doing so, just a little soreness in my right arm. I also found out that they’re no longer updating covid vaccination cards to show what boosters you’ve gotten. Considering the number of those I’ve gotten, that’s probably a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1300 "2025-02-15T19:45:18Z")
The pharmacy (CVS) does track my vaccinations and boosters. I also update my Doc, at my annual physical. I even got my GOVT. shot records from the big yellow cards added. That’s a lot of shots from deployments to parts unknown. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2025, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1301 "2025-02-15T21:48:31Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I am a procrastinator so was later getting my flu shot last year. > Then I got sick in mid-Dec. With the nonstop cough and awful feeling. I’m usually really good at keeping up with my vaccinations, but at the end of last year I was told the RSV vax was not critical, so I decided to put it off for a little bit after getting the “regular” flu shot (I never get the nasty flu I used to get like clockwork every December when I starting religiously getting my flu shot). Well, I spent Christmas Day in the ER, and the next three days in the hospital with an additional week of bed rest (no going upstairs!) after I was discharged. All due to RSV. > [@Atamasama](#): > > You’re extra sore I got my RSV vax last Tuesday, and I had only minor soreness. So, it’s a crapshoot. Still waaaaaaay better than getting RSV. Believe me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=66)