# Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags that kill children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626 "2016-09-01T01:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2025, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1522 "2025-11-26T13:43:39Z")
In my experience, it’s either the ultra-Orthodox or the hippie-dippy granola types who are most likely to be antivax. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1523 "2025-11-28T19:06:44Z")
Meanwhile, 3 infants have died of whooping cough in Kentucky so far this year. The last prior death in the state was 2018. Where I am, all pregnant woman are vaccinated against whooping cough with each pregnancy but apparently the babies and mothers were not vaccinated. > **[Third infant in Kentucky dies of whooping cough as national cases stay high...](https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/pertussis/third-infant-kentucky-dies-whooping-cough-national-cases-stay-high-second-year-row)** ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1524 "2025-11-28T22:26:06Z")
Meanwhile, back in the _civilized_ world: Australia has NO cervical cancer in women under 25 for the first time since records began, because of the HPV vaccination rate: > **[Mark Chadbourn (@chadbourn.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3m6pqtkdvv227)** > > Australia just recorded zero cervical cancer cases in women under 25 for the first time since records began in 1982. The amazing result of HPV vaccination. Inspiring charts showing the difference by ‘vaccination or no vaccination’ are in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1525 "2025-11-28T22:27:01Z")
Wonderful! ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1526 "2025-11-28T22:32:49Z")
Yes, they actually pay attention to evidence and science in Australia! Perhaps we Americans will someday consider doing so! ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1527 "2025-11-28T22:38:15Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Meanwhile, back in the _civilized_ world: Australia has NO cervical cancer in women under 25 for the first time since records began, because of the HPV vaccination rate: > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yes, they actually pay attention to evidence and science in Australia! > > Perhaps we Americans will someday consider doing so! We even have a poster here who doesn’t believe it should be a required vaccine except for sex workers. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1528 "2025-11-28T22:47:02Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > We even have a poster here who doesn’t believe it should be a required vaccine except for sex workers. So that person is advocating for “more disease.” Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1529 "2025-11-28T23:14:49Z")
A whole lot of people read Romans 6:23 every Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1530 "2025-11-28T23:19:48Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > So that person is advocating for “more disease.” Not just more disease, but more cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1531 "2025-11-29T01:25:50Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > We even have a poster here who doesn’t believe it should be a required vaccine except for sex workers. I wish this was the nuttiest belief held by a poster here, but that’s a different thread ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2025, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1532 "2025-11-29T02:42:59Z")
I got that last statement. A one-year-old could be anyone from 12 months, to 23 months, 29 days. The baby may not have been old enough to get the vaccine by the time it got measles. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2025, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1533 "2025-11-29T02:44:46Z")
If you’re referring to me, that is correct. “Not required”, BTW, does not mean the same thing as “not available.” I will recommend it to anyone who asks, but I still think it should only be mandatory for that population, because the HPV virus is not spread through casual contact. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2025, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1534 "2025-11-29T02:47:02Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > Meanwhile, back in the _civilized_ world: Australia has NO cervical cancer in women under 25 for the first time since records began, because of the HPV vaccination rate: > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > Yes, they actually pay attention to evidence and science in Australia! > > > > Perhaps we Americans will someday consider doing so! > > We even have a poster here who doesn’t believe it should be a required vaccine except for sex workers. HPV vaccination is not required anywhere in the U.S.; it apparently is mandatory for specific groups in a few small countries like Greece and Belgium. As for Australia, congratulations are due for its achievements in cervical cancer prevention. Australia does have a history of spawning influential antivax groups like the AVN and has had a loud minority creating havoc over Covid vaccination. > **[Anti-vaxxers block Australia’s capital as Canada’s COVID protest mayhem goes...](https://fortune.com/2022/02/07/canada-covid-protest-global-anti-vaxxers-block-australia-capital-canberra/)** > > Hundreds of cars and trucks waving Australian flags, military insignia and campaign banners for former U.S. President Donald Trump descended on the city calling for the end to vaccination requirements. [https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/online-australian-anti-vaxx-groups-grow-by-nearly](https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/online-australian-anti-vaxx-groups-grow-by-nearly) ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1535 "2025-11-29T02:56:37Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > HPV vaccination is not required anywhere in the U.S. No one stated it is. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2025, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1536 "2025-11-29T03:00:30Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > A one-year-old could be anyone from 12 months, to 23 months, 29 days. The baby may not have been old enough to get the vaccine by the time it got measles. Israel’s vaccination schedule calls for children to get the MMR at 12 months and in 1st grade. Because of the current outbreak, health authorities are also advising an earlier MMR dose at 6-11 months. Babies’ vulnerability to measles highlights the importance of vaccinating older kids. Too bad that so many parents ignored that necessity. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2025, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1537 "2025-11-29T03:18:58Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I will recommend it to anyone who asks, but I still think it should only be mandatory for that population, because the HPV virus is not spread through casual contact. By “not spread through casual contact”, you mean because it’s spread via sex (meaning not only intercourse, but genital contact)? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2025, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1538 "2025-11-29T04:39:29Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Not just more disease, but more cancer. But preventing cancer in our daughters might lead to a much worse fate, premaritial sex, far better that they get cancer. /s ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1539 "2025-11-30T00:54:07Z")
Don’t forget that for some years, the HPV vaccine was for females only, and later approved for use in boys and men. Throat and oral cancer has decreased in frequency as well, although the fact that fewer people smoke has helped. By “casual contact”, I mean that you can’t get HPV from sitting next to someone in class, or from a swimming pool, or standing in line behind someone at the grocery store, that kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1540 "2025-11-30T05:44:19Z")
What the fuck difference does it make that “casual contact” doesn’t spread it? The point is that normal human behavior does spread it. And now we have an effective means of dealing with it. If the idea that normal human behavior includes things that makes you uncomfortable, then fuck off. Your moral judgments are not worth sacrificing human health ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626/1541 "2025-11-30T07:16:34Z")
What moral judgments? You need to improve your reading comprehension. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-vaxxers-are-ignorant-scumbags-that-kill-children/764626.md?page=78)