# Antifa terrorist attacks ICE detention center, gets killed **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 14, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053 "2019-07-14T03:15:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/21 "2019-07-14T16:44:24Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > For years, the Second Amendment fundamentalists have been arguing that we all need guns to protect ourselves against government tyranny. I guess this guy took that message to heart. He was just going for a “Second Amendment solution” to the problem of our government running **fucking concentration camps**. > > I don’t in any way condone this person’s actions. But anyone who has a “Molon Labe” sticker or shirt in their possession or thinks Ted Nugent and Dana Loesch have some pretty good ideas has no standing to criticize this attacker. You think private gun ownership is a check on government power? Well, so did this guy. This is what it looks like. This is what you wanted. > > Or, did you think guns were only for conservatives? > > (“You” being Second Amendment fundamentalists, not necessarily **Hurricane Ditka** , whose views on the matter I’m not conversant in.) Guns are democracy in its rawest form. In this case, the guy was outvoted 329,000,000 to one. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/22 "2019-07-14T17:17:39Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I like how the word “Antifa” magically appears right in the title even though it’s never mentioned anywhere in the article. The implication of an organized ideology, combined with how that word has been manipulated by the right into an inextricable relationship with the Democratic Party, would seem to casually suggest (without actually saying it) that the driving forces here were Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden (with special thanks for the generous financial support of George Soros and Tom Steyer). :rolleyes: > > While the real story here is simply that a lone nut attacked an ICE detention center because he was pissed off at the well-publicized abuses there and was apparently rather unhinged. But the real story – such as with a factual headline like the one in the actual article – "Armed man attacking Tacomas ICE detention center killed in officer-involved shooting " – doesn’t really have the desired political clout, does it? Good catch and call-out. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/23 "2019-07-14T17:31:44Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Guns are democracy in its rawest form. In this case, the guy was outvoted 329,000,000 to one. Sorry, I honestly don’t understand your post. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/24 "2019-07-14T17:34:50Z")
I believe it’s: might makes right. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/25 "2019-07-14T17:47:41Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Cite. You first ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/26 "2019-07-14T18:04:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Or, and I’m just throwing this out, they could protest peacefully. Protests and demonstrations at the Northwest Detention Center are prit’ near a daily occurrence. Not just because it’s an ICE facility, but also because it’s being run by a for-profit entity (the GEO Group), which was sued by the state for violating minimum wage laws by using detainees for virtually all non-security work and paying them next to nothing. So protests are nothing new; it seems that Van Spronsen just went over the edge. (Incidentally, the headline in the local fishwrap’s web edition — “Man killed at Tacoma immigrant detention center jumped on cop in 2018 protest” — is a tad misleading. He was apparently trying to pull the officer away from another protestor whom the officer was trying to arrest. Not something to be condoned, but a far cry from the image of an assailant with a scimitar crying _“Allahu Akbar!”_ that the headline suggests.) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/27 "2019-07-14T18:17:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > You first OK. I’m on my mobile at the moment, and pasting links is a pain in the ass. It’ll be a bit later in the day when I’m at a PC. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/28 "2019-07-14T18:44:31Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So all Trump’s rhetoric about getting tough on immigrants is a lie? Or is he just phenomenally incompetent and hasn’t managed to get tough on immigrants? > > The cognitive dissonance is astonishing. Obama deported 2.9 million people or an average of 362,500 deportations a year. in 2017 Trump deported 226,000 in 2018 Trump deported 256,000 He will need to average 403,000 deportations a year to break even with the Obama. So you can understand why I’m confused by your post. Obama talked about making illegal immigrants accountable and he made good on it. he talked about the need for background checks, penalties, the need to learn English and their placement at the end of the line of those already going through the process legally. Trump needs to up his game considerably to match the political rhetoric generated on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/29 "2019-07-14T18:52:49Z")
Cite? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/30 "2019-07-14T18:55:21Z")
LOL, the dead idiot literally wrote “I am antifa” in his manifesto posted, conveniently, on the Seattle Antifa Facebook page: [https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story\_fbid=912515289100527&id=482014398817287](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=912515289100527&id=482014398817287) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/31 "2019-07-14T18:59:14Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Protests and demonstrations at the Northwest Detention Center are prit’ near a daily occurrence. Not just because it’s an ICE facility, but also because it’s being run by a for-profit entity (the GEO Group), which was sued by the state for violating minimum wage laws by using detainees for virtually all non-security work and paying them next to nothing. So protests are nothing new; it seems that Van Spronsen just went over the edge. > > (Incidentally, the headline in the local fishwrap’s web edition — “Man killed at Tacoma immigrant detention center jumped on cop in 2018 protest” — is a tad misleading. He was apparently trying to pull the officer away from another protestor whom the officer was trying to arrest. Not something to be condoned, but a far cry from the image of an assailant with a scimitar crying _“Allahu Akbar!”_ that the headline suggests.) I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. He was linked with Antifa and not Islamic terrorists. I simply pointed out the political rhetoric driving Antifa criminal activity as well as the 2 political attacks we’ve seen. I don’t understand your comment about Spronsen’s actions being over he edge. His actions were criminal and violent. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/32 "2019-07-14T19:01:27Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > LOL, the dead idiot literally wrote “I am antifa” in his manifesto posted, conveniently, on the Seattle Antifa Facebook page: [https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story\_fbid=912515289100527&id=482014398817287](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=912515289100527&id=482014398817287) Much the same way you literally support fascism. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/33 "2019-07-14T19:01:37Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Obama deported 2.9 million people or an average of 362,500 deportations a year. > > in 2017 Trump deported 226,000 > in 2018 Trump deported 256,000 > > He will need to average 403,000 deportations a year to break even with the Obama. > > So you can understand why I’m confused by your post. Obama talked about making illegal immigrants accountable and he made good on it. he talked about the need for background checks, penalties, the need to learn English and their placement at the end of the line of those already going through the process legally. > > Trump needs to up his game considerably to match the political rhetoric generated on the issue. So you are admitting that Democrats have an effective policy for illegal immigrants, which is not “open borders”, and Trumpublicans are incompetent? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/34 "2019-07-14T19:03:40Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > 1. **Hurticane Ditka** did not mention a conspiracy, which would suggest others were involved. He simply stated that an individual made the attack. Yes, he did. He identified the criminal as an “Antifa terrorist”. That’s saying that the killer was acting as part of a movement. If I started a post and titled it “Republican breaks the law” I’m not simply talking about just what that particular individual did; I’m saying his action was indicative of Republicans in general. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/35 "2019-07-14T19:04:56Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > LOL, the dead idiot literally wrote “I am antifa” in his manifesto posted That was just locker room banter. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/36 "2019-07-14T19:08:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > LOL, the dead idiot literally wrote “I am antifa” in his manifesto posted, conveniently, on the Seattle Antifa Facebook page: [https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story\_fbid=912515289100527&id=482014398817287](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=912515289100527&id=482014398817287) If I post, “I am The Hamburgler” on social media and then go and rob a McDonalds, does that make me “The Hamburgler”? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/37 "2019-07-14T19:16:59Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > For years, the Second Amendment fundamentalists have been arguing that we all need guns to protect ourselves against government tyranny. I guess this guy took that message to heart. He was just going for a “Second Amendment solution” to the problem of our government running **fucking concentration camps**. > > I don’t in any way condone this person’s actions. But anyone who has a “Molon Labe” sticker or shirt in their possession or thinks Ted Nugent and Dana Loesch have some pretty good ideas has no standing to criticize this attacker. You think private gun ownership is a check on government power? Well, so did this guy. This is what it looks like. This is what you wanted. > > Or, did you think guns were only for conservatives? Guns are for protecting white people, using them to protect brown people is the definition of anti-american. > [@Lumpy](#): > > Guns are democracy in its rawest form. In this case, the guy was outvoted 329,000,000 to one. There were 329 million guns there, all voting against him? That seems overkill on the part of border patrol, no wonder they charge $775 a night and yet cannot afford to give children a toothbrush. Do each of the detention centers also have this massive number of guns? > [@Magiver](#): > > It’s virtually the same system in place from the previous administration. Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, and maybe you will even manage to convince yourself of it, but the repetition will not be likely to get anyone else to. I suppose it does depend on your definition of the word “virtually”. If literally can mean figuratively, then maybe virtually can mean whatever weasel word you want it to mean. I can agree with your statement if you are using virtually in the sense of “The sun is virtually the same thing as the moon.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/38 "2019-07-14T19:17:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > LOL, the dead idiot literally wrote “I am antifa” in his manifesto posted, conveniently, on the Seattle Antifa Facebook page: [https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story\_fbid=912515289100527&id=482014398817287](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=912515289100527&id=482014398817287) Good catch and call-out. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/39 "2019-07-14T19:25:07Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Yeah, you keep telling yourself that, and maybe you will even manage to convince yourself of it, but the repetition will not be likely to get anyone else to. > > I suppose it does depend on your definition of the word “virtually”. If literally can mean figuratively, then maybe virtually can mean whatever weasel word you want it to mean. I can agree with your statement if you are using virtually in the sense of “The sun is virtually the same thing as the moon.” Well I missed the shut down of Obama’s detention camps for Trumps concentration camps. Maybe you can enlighten us all. I did read the hyperbole from various politicians calling them concentration camps. You’ll note that was one of the buzz words used by the Antifa attacker in his manifesto. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/40 "2019-07-14T19:27:58Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Guns are for protecting white people, using them to protect brown people is the definition of anti-american. That’s got to be one of the most racist things I’ve seen in a long time. I see lots of black people getting their CCW now. We of the CCW crowd welcome it. Greatly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053.md?page=3)