# Antifa terrorist attacks ICE detention center, gets killed **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 14, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053 "2019-07-14T03:15:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/41 "2019-07-14T20:07:17Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Yes, he did. He identified the criminal as an “Antifa terrorist”. That’s saying that the killer was acting as part of a movement. > > If I started a post and titled it “Republican breaks the law” I’m not simply talking about just what that particular individual did; I’m saying his action was indicative of Republicans in general. Was the dead guy white? Because if right wingers are using the term “terrorist” with white guys now, that’s a big step! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/42 "2019-07-14T20:11:03Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > LOL, the dead idiot literally wrote “I am antifa” in his manifesto posted, conveniently, on the Seattle Antifa Facebook page: [https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story\_fbid=912515289100527&id=482014398817287](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=912515289100527&id=482014398817287) > [@Magiver](#): > > Good catch and call-out. Not really. Little “a”; not big “A”. It makes a difference, just like there is a difference between someone who identifies as conservative and someone who identifies as Conservative. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/43 "2019-07-14T20:12:18Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Well I missed the shut down of Obama’s detention camps for Trumps concentration camps. Maybe you can enlighten us all. Nah, all you have to do is actually pay attention, and it’s pretty easy to follow along. I’m sure you’ll get it eventually. Of course, if you are motivated to not get it, to not understand, if you need to believe that this is the case in order to live with your support of this policy, then I understand why you will not be able to. You cannot understand something that you fundamentally do not want to. > [@](#): > > I did read the hyperbole from various politicians calling them concentration camps. You’ll note that was one of the buzz words used by the Antifa attacker in his manifesto. So, lets let you win your argument here. Lets say that Obama started this program, and that Trump has done absolutely nothing but continue it in Obama’s honor. We should even call them Obama camps. Are you against them now? > [@Magiver](#): > > That’s got to be one of the most racist things I’ve seen in a long time. I see lots of black people getting their CCW now. We of the CCW crowd welcome it. Greatly. Nice attempt at playing the race card there, but unfortunately, it failed miserably, and just makes your post look pretty foolish and cringeworthy. So, lets say it was a bunch of white people using their guns to try to prevent an arrest of a white person by govt agents, would you consider them to be terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/44 "2019-07-14T20:25:36Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Not really. Little “a”; not big “A”. It makes a difference, just like there is a difference between someone who identifies as conservative and someone who identifies as Conservative. Really? Do you consider yourself well-acquainted with one or both groups? Someone qualified to speak for them? What’s the difference, in your mind, between “antifa” and “Antifa”? How much overlap is there between them? Could you maybe provide some examples of people that fall into one, but not the other category? I’ll give you some bonus points if you can find some other examples of people who post “I am antifa” in their manifestos who wouldn’t generally be considered “Antifa”. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/45 "2019-07-14T20:33:59Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Really? Do you consider yourself well-acquainted with one or both groups? Someone qualified to speak for them? What’s the difference, in your mind, between “antifa” and “Antifa”? How much overlap is there between them? Could you maybe provide some examples of people that fall into one, but not the other category? I’ll give you some bonus points if you can find some other examples of people who post “I am antifa” in their manifestos who wouldn’t generally be considered “Antifa”. Those certainly are some questions that you just asked. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/46 "2019-07-14T20:40:35Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s virtually the same system in place from the previous administration. Suppose you own a gun for ten years and then transfer ownership to me. And then I go out and shoot ten people. What does that prove? It proves the gun wasn’t the problem. The problem was the way I used the gun for wrongful purposes. That’s what Trump has done. He took a system that was working lawfully and turned it into a gulag system. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/47 "2019-07-14T20:58:53Z")
We weren’t breaking up families and not even bothering to keep track of who is who, either. To suggest that the immigration lunacy Trump is employing is just what Obama implemented is stunningly ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/48 "2019-07-14T21:51:25Z")
I wouldn’t call it ignorant. I’m simply not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/49 "2019-07-14T22:02:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Not really. Little “a”; not big “A”. It makes a difference, just like there is a difference between someone who identifies as conservative and someone who identifies as Conservative. Snowboarder Bo, The Pugent Sound John Brown Gun Club describes itself as “[an anti-fascist, anti-racist, pro-worker community defense organization committed to accountable, community-led defense in the Puget Sound (aka Salish Sea) region of western Washington, in the Pacific Northwest, USA.](https://psjbgc.org)” What do you think? Big “A” Antifa or little “a”? A couple of hours ago on [their FaceBook page](https://www.facebook.com/PugetSoundJBGC/), the PSJBGC posted: > [@](#): > > Early in the morning on July 13, Willem Van Spronsen, a former member of Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club, was killed in an altercation at a facility adjacent to the Northwest Detention Center. … What do you think? Still little “a” antifa? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/50 "2019-07-14T22:06:19Z")
All this guy did was get Antifa discredited. He didn’t even inflict any casualties. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/51 "2019-07-14T22:10:04Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Snowboarder Bo, > > The Pugent Sound John Brown Gun Club describes itself as “[an anti-fascist, anti-racist, pro-worker community defense organization committed to accountable, community-led defense in the Puget Sound (aka Salish Sea) region of western Washington, in the Pacific Northwest, USA.](https://psjbgc.org)” > > What do you think? Big “A” Antifa or little “a”? > > A couple of hours ago on [their FaceBook page](https://www.facebook.com/PugetSoundJBGC/), the PSJBGC posted: > > What do you think? Still little “a” antifa? Having trouble with your cite finding anywhere where it mentions antifa. Maybe a little help? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/52 "2019-07-14T22:20:59Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Having trouble with your cite finding anywhere where it mentions antifa. Maybe a little help? Let’s start with some basics: Do you know what “antifa” is short for? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/53 "2019-07-14T22:42:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Let’s start with some basics: Do you know what “antifa” is short for? Yes. And your point? Do you believe that anyone who is against fascism is in some nebulous group called antifa? In order for your question to be anything other than intentional gaslighting, then that means that you are either not against fascists, or you consider yourself to be a member of antifa. Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/54 "2019-07-14T22:46:56Z")
Just remember, President Eisenhower was a violent antifa. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/55 "2019-07-14T22:49:59Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Just remember, President Eisenhower was a violent antifa. Did he dress all in black, wear masks, beat up people who disagreed with him, burn books? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/56 "2019-07-14T22:52:13Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Yes. And your point? Do you believe that anyone who is against fascism is in some nebulous group called antifa? … I believe the people who describe themselves as “I am antifa” are in that nebulous group. I’d also put the PSJBGC squarely in the “loose confederation of anarchistic groups that are attempting to fight fascism” (or at least tell themselves and others that they are) known as “Antifa”. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/57 "2019-07-14T22:59:27Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I believe the people who describe themselves as “I am antifa” are in that nebulous group. I don’t care what you believe, I care about the cite that you made that you claimed showed that he was antifa, when it did nothing of the sort. > [@](#): > > I’d also put the PSJBGC squarely in the “loose confederation of anarchistic groups that are attempting to fight fascism” (or at least tell themselves and others that they are) known as “Antifa”. And if they do not call themselves antifa, then you will call them that anyway? If you truly are wanting to die on this hill that being anti-fascist makes you a “member” of antifa, then you still have not answered the question as to whether you are antifa or a fascist. Personally, I think that there is far more nuanced and room to this, and that you are excluding an enormous middle here, but it is your choice to do so, you are the one that is trying to make this to be the case, so, since you are insisting that you must either be with the fascists or a member of antifa, which are you? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/58 "2019-07-14T22:59:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Just remember, President Eisenhower was a violent antifa. LOL! You think the president during whose administration the USA conducted “[Operation Wetback](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback)” has some kinship with this toe-tagged dipshit? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/59 "2019-07-14T23:02:23Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I don’t care what you believe, I care about the cite that you made that you claimed showed that he was antifa, when it did nothing of the sort. … I’m the one that provided the cite wherein the dead terrorist declared “I am antifa”. That you continue to struggle with this concept is a source of amusement for me. It literally can’t get any more cut-and-dried than this. Sorry-not-sorry about your dead comrade. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/60 "2019-07-14T23:30:33Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m the one that provided the cite wherein the dead terrorist declared “I am antifa”. That you continue to struggle with this concept is a source of amusement for me. It literally can’t get any more cut-and-dried than this. Sorry-not-sorry about your dead comrade. Same sorry-not sorry for the victims in Oklahoma City? If antifa runs up a higher body count than McVeigh, will you switch sides? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053.md?page=4)