# Antifa terrorist attacks ICE detention center, gets killed **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 14, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053 "2019-07-14T03:15:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/81 "2019-07-15T04:38:04Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I doubt you and I agree enough about who the fascists are in modern-day America to make an answer to that question worthwhile, and besides that, my position on fascists isn’t the topic of the thread, your (general you, I have no idea if you personally identify with Antifa or not) dead Antifa comrade is. Please, oh please. DO tell us your definition of fascist/fascism, who you think ARE fascist, and how you identify. I’ll post a non pit thread for you to ignore shortly. [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21750700#post21750700](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21750700#post21750700) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/82 "2019-07-15T04:42:10Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > In other words, you won’t answer a direct question. Not one as vague and nebulous as that. To too many on the Left, “fascist” is just the latest smear for everyone they don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/83 "2019-07-15T04:48:15Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > By this logic, if you are anti- the pro-life side (in abortion), are you pro-death? That analogy doesn’t work, since antifa _actually_ opposes fascism, while the so-called pro-life movement isn’t “pro-life” at all; they are anti-woman. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/84 "2019-07-15T05:51:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > That analogy doesn’t work, since antifa _actually_ opposes fascism, while the so-called pro-life movement isn’t “pro-life” at all; they are anti-woman. Antifa aren’t truly anti-fascist. They use violence to advance their political ideology. They might not be fascists but they mimic the methods of illiberal factions and are dangerous as well as dishonest and cowardly. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/85 "2019-07-15T06:07:04Z")
From my understanding, this freakin’ nutter is no more a paid-up member of Antifa as a lone Muslim nutter yelling Allah Akbah during an attack is an Isis-trained terrorist. That is not to diminish the seriousness of the attack, but it really seems to be stretching it to include this person in some sort of structured organisation called Antifa. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/86 "2019-07-15T07:50:23Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Antifa aren’t truly anti-fascist. They use violence to advance their political ideology. So what? Plenty of political factions good and bad use violence to advance their ideology, that’s hardly something unique to fascism. Nazi Germany was destroyed with violence, not peaceful protest. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/87 "2019-07-15T07:55:20Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > In other words, you won’t answer a direct question. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Not one as vague and nebulous as that. Lets have a look at that vague and nebulous question again. > [@Slash1972](#): > > I’d like to see an answer to this question. > > Are you, **HurricaneDitka** , anti-fascist or not? ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/88 "2019-07-15T08:16:03Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > From my understanding, this freakin’ nutter is no more a paid-up member of Antifa as a lone Muslim nutter yelling Allah Akbah during an attack is an Isis-trained terrorist. My only quibble with this is I regularly hear that there is no formal structure or organization to antifa. If there is no “governing organization” then there is no guide saying who is or is not an antifa member other than self identification and expressing sympathies consistent with prior self identified antifa groups publicly expressed sentiments. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/89 "2019-07-15T08:30:23Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Lets have a look at that vague and nebulous question again. I suspect the real problem here isn’t that the question is “vague and nebulous”, because it’s completely straightforward. I suspect the real problem is that answering it poses certain major difficulties for **HurricaneDitka** that he would much prefer to avoid. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/90 "2019-07-15T08:57:12Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > My only quibble with this is I regularly hear that there is no formal structure or organization to antifa. If there is no “governing organization” then there is no guide saying who is or is not an antifa member other than self identification and expressing sympathies consistent with prior self identified antifa groups publicly expressed sentiments. In other words, there’s really no such thing as (A)ntifa then. I’m pretty anti fascist just as a general political thing because y’know, fascism is pretty abhorrent and all. But does that mean if I choose to demonstrate at some rally or whatever that I am a representative of the Antifa ‘movement’ that doesn’t actually exist? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/91 "2019-07-15T09:54:05Z")
[The shithead was a wife-beater.](https://web.archive.org/web/20190714021748/https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/legal-defense-fund-for-will-van-spronsen) Can people stop defending him now? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/92 "2019-07-15T10:23:42Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I suspect the real problem here isn’t that the question is “vague and nebulous”, because it’s completely straightforward. I suspect the real problem is that answering it poses certain major difficulties for **HurricaneDitka** that he would much prefer to avoid. Exactly, if he answers “yes” then by his own logic he is also Antifa since he is anti-fascist, if he answers “no” then he’s pro-fascist. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/93 "2019-07-15T10:37:15Z")
I missed the part where people were defending the guy. Was there another thread for that? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/94 "2019-07-15T10:59:31Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Nothing has changed except the party affiliation of the President. … and this > [@](#): > > The Secretary shall issue new policy guidance to all Department of Homeland Security personnel regarding the appropriate and consistent use of lawful detention authority under the INA, including the termination of the practice commonly known as “catch and release,” whereby aliens are routinely released in the United States shortly after their apprehension for violations of immigration law. But besides that, nothing at all has changed, right? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/95 "2019-07-15T11:55:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Antifa aren’t truly anti-fascist. They use violence to advance their political ideology. They might not be fascists but they mimic the methods of illiberal factions and are dangerous as well as dishonest and cowardly. That is, after all, the definition of “fascist”: people who use violence to advance their political ideology. And a person who attacks what he sees as a concentration camp, in broad daylight, knowing that he risks his life doing so, is cowardly. Good show, octopus. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/96 "2019-07-15T12:24:43Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > [The shithead was a wife-beater.](https://web.archive.org/web/20190714021748/https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/legal-defense-fund-for-will-van-spronsen) Can people stop defending him now? Lefists across the internet have been eulogizing him, calling him “comrade” and telling him to “rest in power” when it was already known that he was a domestic terrorist. Why would his history of domestic violence change their attitudes about him? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/97 "2019-07-15T12:28:04Z")
There used to be plenty of violent antifascists in, say, 1920s Germany. They were called “Communists”. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/98 "2019-07-15T12:32:56Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > [The shithead was a wife-beater.](https://web.archive.org/web/20190714021748/https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/legal-defense-fund-for-will-van-spronsen) Can people stop defending him now? Can people stop defending the separation of families and incarceration of immigrants under deplorable conditions? The main difference here is that even this dude’s staunchest defenders would admit that beating his wife is a bad thing that he shouldn’t have done. The Orange Asshole’s defenders think that locking up little kids in cages is A fucking OK. So, yeah, tell us again that people should stop defending a guy who was accused of hitting his wife. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/99 "2019-07-15T12:46:19Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Can people stop defending the separation of families and incarceration of immigrants under deplorable conditions? > > The main difference here is that even this dude’s staunchest defenders would admit that beating his wife is a bad thing that he shouldn’t have done. > > The Orange Asshole’s defenders think that locking up little kids in cages is A fucking OK. So, yeah, tell us again that people should stop defending a guy who was accused of hitting his wife. See Derleth, they don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053/100 "2019-07-15T12:51:14Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Lefists across the internet have been eulogizing him, calling him “comrade” and telling him to “rest in power” when it was already known that he was a domestic terrorist. Why would his history of domestic violence change their attitudes about him? Hold up. HurricaneDitka, I just want to be clear. You’ve accepted as a standard of proof of a crime that someone has **denied** committing the crime? You don’t even have to hear the victim accuse them of a crime, you just have to hear that they have denied an accusation, and you accept that they’re guilty of whatever they’ve denied? Is this something you accept for all crimes, or just crimes supposedly committed by leftists? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antifa-terrorist-attacks-ice-detention-center-gets-killed/837053.md?page=6)