# Antonio Brown is a douchebag **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 9, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434 "2019-08-09T23:03:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/181 "2019-09-12T13:45:58Z")
Which basically tells me that they didn’t know. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/182 "2019-09-13T13:29:22Z")
Let us not overlook the fact that, while he is not _married_, he does have a _long-term girlfriend_, with whom he has 3 children… so, rape or not, “consensual sex” with a women who is not your long-term mate and mother of your children, in my world, is the highest level of dochebaggery. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/183 "2019-09-13T14:00:46Z")
What, worse than rape? In general though your point is well-made. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/184 "2019-09-13T15:08:56Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > What, worse than rape? In general though your point is well-made. I assumed that **phungi’s** concept of “douchebaggery” has an upper limit - so cheating on your spouse/SO is the highest level of douchebaggery, but rape is in a different and worse category altogether. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/185 "2019-09-13T15:19:32Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I assumed that **phungi’s** concept of “douchebaggery” has an upper limit - so cheating on your spouse/SO is the highest level of douchebaggery, but rape is in a different and worse category altogether. Indeed, at that point, one has passed beyond “douchebaggery” and into “felonious.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/186 "2019-09-13T16:49:37Z")
[The NFL will let him keep playing for now.](https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/09/13/antonio-brown-commissioners-exempt-list-patriots) And they’re doing more of an investigation than the police. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/187 "2019-09-13T18:16:59Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > Let us not overlook the fact that, while he is not _married_, he does have a _long-term girlfriend_, with whom he has 3 children… so, rape or not, “consensual sex” with a women who is not your long-term mate and mother of your children, in my world, is the highest level of dochebaggery. hindsight can be helpful in the context of “self-editing”… I was trying to say “even if he didn’t rape someone, he is cheating scum, as infidelity is the highest level of douchebaggery in a relationship”… rape would obviously trump consensual cheating/infidelity. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/188 "2019-09-13T18:54:26Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [The NFL will let him keep playing for now.](https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/09/13/antonio-brown-commissioners-exempt-list-patriots) “Brown will be eligible to play against the Dolphins this Sunday.” Great, otherwise New England would have no chance! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/189 "2019-09-14T03:00:27Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > What, worse than rape? In general though your point is well-made. Child molestation? Although that’s in the same catagory. Genocide, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/190 "2019-09-14T13:27:01Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Child molestation? Although that’s in the same catagory. > > Genocide, perhaps. ME: AB is _such_ a douchebag THEM: But _how big of a douchebag_ is he? ME: His actions spawned a discussion about the Sophie’s Choice of douchebaggery: raping a child versus raping an adult, _THAT’S_ how big of a douchebag he is! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/191 "2019-09-16T22:07:25Z")
[Another Antonio Brown accuser comes forward.](https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/another-antonio-brown-accuser-comes-forward/) Looking worse for AB. There are no criminal accusations here or even a lawsuit but it’s more fuel. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/192 "2019-09-17T18:00:42Z")
[Here’s a Sports Illustrated article](https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/16/antonio-brown-new-england-patriots-lawsuits-accusations-sexual-midconduct-assault) profiling not just the sexual stuff, but numerous incidents of Brown stiffing people. Included are: A charity art auction where he bid on a portrait of himself, took it home and never paid. The artist of that piece he later hired to paint a mural in his home. He shows up naked while she’s working, then fires her when she rejected him (she at least got paid for the unfinished work). He posted a video online of him farting while a doctor is giving him an exam. Brown somehow convinces the guy to work with him, but never pays up. The aforementioned celebrity chef, hired to host a Pro Bowl dinner. Never pays up, and is heard multiple times calling the chef and his team “crackers” while at the dinner party. Numerous other instances of stiffing and ghosting employees and associates. Multiple police house calls ranging from potential domestic abuse to outright bizarre. He sounds like a Trumpian narcissist. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/193 "2019-09-17T19:22:45Z")
Going back to the helmet issue - has Brown suddenly decided that helmets are no problem now that he’s a Patriot? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/194 "2019-09-17T19:38:36Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Going back to the helmet issue - has Brown suddenly decided that helmets are no problem now that he’s a Patriot? Brown had selected a new helmet (the Xenith Shadow) while he was still with the Raiders, as per [this Bleacher Report article](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2852383-raiders-antonio-brown-will-play-in-xenith-shadow-helmet-after-losing-grievances) from September 4th (three days before the Raiders released him). The article quoted ESPN’s Adam Schefter as saying: > [@](#): > > Schefter noted the seven-time Pro Bowler believes this model “makes him feel more agile and comfortable, and allows for better visibility” than the Schutt AiR Advantage. He apparently got a sponsorship deal from Xenith, [which the company then cancelled last Friday](https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/13/xenith-helmet-antonio-brown-rape-allegation-patriots-wide-reciever), after the rape accusation came to light. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/195 "2019-09-20T12:15:23Z")
So now Brown is sending [threatening texts to the woman who accused him of sexual harrassment](https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/19/antonio-brown-accuser-text-messages), including _pictures of her children_. This is the artist who stated that he stood behind her wearing nothing but a washcloth while she was painting a mural in his home. Fuck it. It doesn’t matter if every other accusation is false. He’s absolutely confirmed he’s nothing but human garbage. The Pats can either cut him or watch substantial chunks of their fanbase run away. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/196 "2019-09-20T12:29:26Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > The Pats can either cut him or watch substantial chunks of their fanbase run away. The narrative the Pats put out last week was: [ol] [li]Kraft wouldn’t have approved the signing if they knew about the charges in the lawsuit beforehand[/li][li]Nothing happened on the Patriot’s watch[/li][/ol] Now they know about bad actions that happened while he was a Patriot. Just cut him and be done with the whole mess. It would be best if the commissioner put him on the exempt list; otherwise some team will be tempted to pick him up off waivers because the price is so low now. But the Pats can’t let that concern them. They fucked up and now they need to deal with it. Disclaimer: I’m a life long Patriots fan but I see no problem calling them out for shit like this. I can easily stop watching games and/or buying any merchandise. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/197 "2019-09-20T12:37:23Z")
Yeah, they should drop him like the flaming piece of shit he is, even if it means they eat the entire cost of his contract (which hopefully shouldn’t happen - and I say “hopefully” on general principles, I’m not a Pats fan). But are the owner’s principles more important to him than his money? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/198 "2019-09-20T12:46:06Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > But are the owner’s principles more important to him than his money? I don’t think this is coming from Kraft, I think this is mostly Belichick. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/199 "2019-09-20T12:53:36Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > I don’t think this is coming from Kraft, I think this is mostly Belichick. Sure, Belichick is the one who wants to keep Brown, but the money is coming out of Kraft’s pocket. He absolutely has the power to overrule Belichick, even if it does damage their working relationship. Belichick has a press conference today at 11:45. The consensus seems to be that if the Pats are going to cut him, they’ll have to do it before the presser so Bill can hide behind the press release & not answer any questions. I’m guessing Bob & Bill are in some heated discussions at the moment. And I pray some reporter has the balls to ask Brady “Hey Tom, did Antonio take any pictures of your kids?” ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434/200 "2019-09-20T13:15:01Z")
So, Belichick has a literal belief in Bill Shankly’s “Football isn’t a matter of life and death. It’s much more important than that.” (quote is from the original football, for the uninitiated)? He is happy to be forever associated with a misogynist, predatory, felon (TBC, I guess) as long as it improves the chances of winning another Superbowl by a couple of %? Hmm. Was he previously known as a raging asshole? Apologies for my ignorance here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/antonio-brown-is-a-douchebag/838434.md?page=11)