# Ants and borax **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 1, 2010, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233 "2010-02-01T13:44:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Random\_Design](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58f4c7/32.png) [@Random\_Design](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random_Design)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233/1 "2010-02-01T13:44:27Z")
Ants have invaded my home and searching the web seems to favour borax as an effective solution. I’m curious as to how the borax works. The best answer I’ve found so far involves the ants respiratory system, but I’m curious as to how they can carry it back to the nest and not be affected? ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233/2 "2010-02-01T13:48:32Z")
as far as I know they do not carry it back to the nest per se, they inhale it into their spicules and it does tissue damage on the individual ant [or roach or flea] which kills that specific bug ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233/3 "2010-02-01T14:02:15Z")
My understanding is that borax is an abrasive and kills insects by scratching holes in their exoskeletons, causing them to lose water and die by desiccation. It takes some time to work, so ants are able to carry it around without being killed immediately. > [@aruvqan](#): > > inhale it into their spicules Minor correction; that should be spiracles (openings that admit air into the insect’s body). ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233/4 "2010-02-01T14:13:31Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > My understanding is that borax is an abrasive and kills insects by scratching holes in their exoskeletons That sounds more like the mode of action of [Diatomaceous earth](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth) than [Borax](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax), You wouldn’t mix a water soluble abrasive agent with food such as peanut butter or maple and expect it to work. [Borax is sometimes used this way.](http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Rid-of-Ants) Borax is a pretty good buffering and chelating agent, seems to me it works through those properties rather than as a simple mechanical agent. ---
**Author:** ![Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nunzio_Tavulari)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233/5 "2010-02-01T15:07:26Z")
I know nothing about how borax specifically affects an ant. However, I offer that the affect is not restricted to borax. I also had ants regularly moving along a specific path in my home. I dusted the area with talcum powder and from that moment on, never saw another ant. By dusting, I mean that I tipped the container upside down, then to a 90 degree angle and squeezed it. The amount of talc that was deposited was nearly invisible and could be mistaken for light dust. One application lasts from Spring until Fall. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233/6 "2010-02-01T15:22:03Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > That sounds more like the mode of action of [Diatomaceous earth](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth) than [Borax](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax), > > You wouldn’t mix a water soluble abrasive agent with food such as peanut butter or maple and expect it to work. [Borax is sometimes used this way.](http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Rid-of-Ants) > > Borax is a pretty good buffering and chelating agent, seems to me it works through those properties rather than as a simple mechanical agent. Quite a few sites I found allege that the method of action of borax is as a cuticle abrasive, but since they are non-technical I acknowledge they could well be wrong. The most technical article I found says boric acid is a slow-acting stomach poison. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233/7 "2010-02-01T15:58:37Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Quite a few sites I found allege that the method of action… Yes, I noticed that. It’s exactly the sort of disinformation the internet excels at spreading. Not only is borax a water soluble material, but it’s not even a particularly _hard_ material. It also tends to come in granules that are bigger than say, table salt. If it worked through abrasion, you’d expect salt and sugar to be effective as well, They are not. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233/8 "2010-02-01T16:10:15Z")
If you place some under a stereo microscope you’ll see that it’s packed with 20-mule teams. These wagons run down the ants, scratching up their exoskeletons and causing dessication. Next week: the truth behind Sea Monkeys’ castles! ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233/9 "2010-02-01T17:01:21Z")
My (possibly flawed) understanding is that it chemically dissolves the waxy seals on the joints in the legs and exoskeleton, causing the dessication. ---
**Author:** ![SCSimmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@SCSimmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCSimmons)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ants-and-borax/527233/10 "2010-02-02T02:49:25Z")
This was in response to the effect of boric acid on cockroaches, but: [QUOTE=The Perfect Master] [I have two possible explanations for what borax does, both given to me by supposedly reputable scientists.](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/20/whats-the-best-way-to-kill-cockroaches)Take your pick: (1) The stuff gets on the waxy coating on the critter’s hide (or “exoskeleton”) and partially dissolves it, whereupon the cockroach dehydrates and croaks. (2) The borax acts as an abrasive, causing microscratches in said coating. Cockroach dehydrates, etc. [/quote] There seems to be a consensus that the effect is primarily on the exoskeleton, although the precise means by which the acid damages it seems to be unclear.